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"The Nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools."
- Thucydides
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote" B. Franklin
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
A more careful reading of what I actually wrote reveals that it was this (emphasis added):
"To my way of thinking, what should be determined here is whether there is more than a 50% chance that this actually happened. That is what a proper investigation could help determine."
I honestly don't understand why you're opposed to this case being investigated by an outside, non-partisan group to de-politicize the matter. That is what Ford has requested (and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has made it clear at this point that he will not allow). You have claimed that the problem with so many of these claims is that a lack of due process often results. Well what are you opposing here but precisely due process? Why? Why would you and Kavanaugh and the people supporting his confirmation? Why is more information "dangerous", as you put it?
(It might be added that, in the consideration of such evidence as the outcome of a polygraph test showing that Ford does, in fact, believe the account of events she has shared herself and also the existence of corroborating witnesses whom she wants to bring forward, I also don't think that this is a 50-50 case in terms of which way the evidence leans so far. There is distinctly more than a 50% chance that Ford is telling the truth, I believe. I also don't know why you think this is a partisan issue for me, being as I am not a Democrat and, you have noticed, quite often express disapproval of Democrats and the Democratic Party as an overall institution.)
I would also like to make one more point if I can: if you re-examine the quotation above, you will notice that it continues a thematic observation that I pointed out to you recently. You will notice, namely, that the only party you actually seem concerned about is the ("alleged") assailant. Where is your concern for the actual victim? What about her reputation, which has already been destroyed? What about her career, which is pretty well undermined already? What about her basic physical safety and the disruption of her life over this matter, being as she, along with her family, have been forced out of their home over this because of credible death threats against her that have resulted? Why don't you care about her far greater suffering at all, but instead only about this millionaire judge who frankly will be just fine (a lot better off that a school teacher like Christine Blasey Ford will ever be) no matter what the outcome of this confirmation process should be (as though there is any chance that he won't be confirmed anyway)?
You have also repeatedly said on this thread that you are not experienced or well-informed as to what people who endure sexual violence go through or how they tend to respond. I would encourage you to become informed. I would recommend checking out the very helpful hashtag #WhyIDidntReport as a good starting place.
Last edited by IMPress Polly; 09-22-2018 at 08:30 AM.
Agent Zero (09-22-2018)
What is there to investigate? There is no evidence except his word and her's.That's it. You are a partisan hack and know nothing can be proven and want him tossed because he's a man. The only evidence you need is she said so. You're pretty disgusting.
You meant exactly what you said the first time you posted to her. You then tried to pretend you were sorry for being so obnoxious to recruit her to your side.She stayed with her original opinion and now your true self is back
I read all your $#@! and I don't believe a word of of it. I think you're a fake and a pity seeker.
There is no value to a polygraph and her witnesses have all said they really don't know anything.
She is a victim in your mind. She isn't even credible. You don't remember the what and not the where.
You are attacking the most reasonable person here. Your reputation for being a partisan. man-hating , whiny political hack destroys anything you have to say.
Last edited by Captdon; 09-22-2018 at 11:22 AM. Reason: spelling
Liberals are a clear and present danger to our nation
Pick your enemies carefully.
I have my opinion of you as well.Captdon wrote:
You're pretty disgusting.
Like a lot of people, sometimes I say things I regret when I'm particularly frustrated. I meant the substance of what I said that time, yes, but the sarcasm is something I feel pretty bad about now. I wouldn't if it had been you I'd been replying to though. Not that I realistically would have bothered had it been you.You meant exactly what you said the first time you posted to her.
How do you figure?There is no value too a polygraph...
She and her attorney seem to feel that they may say something different if required to speak to the matter under oath (i.e. are legally obliged to tell the truth)....and her witnesses have all said they really don't know anything.
I belong to the Vermont Progressive Party.You are a partisan hack and know nothing can be proven and want him tossed because he's a man.
I guess I'm supposed to apologize for believing the woman here, but I just don't feel it. I believe her story for a lot of different reasons, some of them experiential. The fact is that one who discounts a story like Ford's would probably discount any survivor's story as a lie. Kind of like how you do.
In order to believe an accusation there generally needs to be at least one tid-bit of credible evidence.
Unfortunately there are many people who will believe an unsupportable accusation because they oppose the accused political views.
However, in this case they are believing the accused is guilty not because of his political views, but the personality of the person who nominated him.
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler
I think a little more curiosity on the part of your group would be helpful in that regard. If you think there is insufficient evidence either way, why not support an outside, non-partisan investigation such as what Ford has proposed to clarify the matter in a more definite way?
I can't help but feel that those opposing a real investigation of this matter take that position because they kind of know they're wrong in their position.
Last edited by IMPress Polly; 09-22-2018 at 11:16 AM.