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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    Federal judge throws out pollution lawsuit against Southbridge landfill operator Casella

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    WORCESTER – Citing a lack of jurisdiction, a federal judge recently dismissed a lawsuit alleging Southbridge landfill operator Casella Waste Systems contaminated drinking water and a nearby stream and wetlands.

    The lawsuit was filed in June 2017 by two nonprofit environmental organizations – Toxics Action Center and Environmental Massachusetts - and 99 residents who live near the Southbridge landfill.

    The civil complaint said Casella posed an imminent and substantial danger to human health and the environment. It said the waste management company discharged pollutants to waters without a federal permit for a pollutant discharge elimination system.

    In granting Casella’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit, U.S. District Court Judge Timothy Hillman cited a litany of previous enforcement actions by the state Department of Environmental Protection against Casella, which does business as the 51-acre Southbridge Recycling & Disposal Park on Barefoot Road.

    So over a year and all those lawyers to figure out they sued in the wrong jurisdiction? Maybe we ougtta simplify the system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    This is a good thing.

    While I favor replacing fossil fuels with green energy, it is not a switch that you just flip- it is going to be a process over a period of time. I believe, and have read in scientific journals that most if not all fossil fuel will be phased out by the end of the century. In the meantime we are getting closer to viable nuclear fusion- which would be a game-changer in many ways and make green energy moot.

    In the meantime, it is good that American fossil fuels will be sold globally and used locally. That is good for our economy.

    We can't go backwards- pre-fossil fuel energy sources pollute more and harm the environment more.
    I also believe we will go green, well we will have to. We are running out of resources. We will be forced to. But I believe that the money hungry monsters don't want to let go of the last profits. They are taking it to the end, instead of leaving a little there for future generations they are going to go ahead and take it all. But in the mean time with this last push, serious unrepairable damage can be inflicted on our earth.

    I believe we could have already gone green if we wanted to, but they just wont let it happen until they say we can. We can switch when it is right for them. We don't really need to wait for new tech to go green, we have all we need that we could go green today if we wanted to. We could use our low tech, green tech, while we are waiting for advanced new green sources. Those are my thoughts on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    I also believe we will go green, well we will have to. We are running out of resources. We will be forced to. But I believe that the money hungry monsters don't want to let go of the last profits. They are taking it to the end, instead of leaving a little there for future generations they are going to go ahead and take it all. But in the mean time with this last push, serious unrepairable damage can be inflicted on our earth.

    I believe we could have already gone green if we wanted to, but they just wont let it happen until they say we can. We can switch when it is right for them. We don't really need to wait for new tech to go green, we have all we need that we could go green today if we wanted to. We could use our low tech, green tech, while we are waiting for advanced new green sources. Those are my thoughts on that.

    One of the biggest problems with alternate energy is that it works best at the home and neighborhood level, meaning no megacorp umbilical cord and we can't have that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    Are we trying to become the new China?

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    For a long time china was the throw away land of the world. China used the people of its nation to make China great again! They went all out, and began to produce so many goods that they became the world’s manufacturer. You almost can’t even go to the store and not buy something that does not say made in china.

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    The people of china had to pay a huge price. Not only the people, but their land and resources, and their environment. China partook in the polluting and destruction of their own nation in order that they could prosper as a whole, and it was at the cost of all that had been held dear by those throughout the history of their nation.
    What did the Chinese citizens get out of their prosperous nation? They got to live in cages. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-hutches.html They got to have the most polluted waters in the world. https://www.businessinsider.com/phot...n-comes-from-6 They got to have the very air they breathed be turned to poison. Now they have to buy bottled air to breathe if they want to have a breath of fresh air. They have to buy 10k dollar air filters in order to safely breathe inside of their homes. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...om-Canada.html
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-...elling-7315418
    http://www.takepart.com/article/2015...-canadian-air/ It is even thought that the pollution is affecting cognitive abilities and IQ of the Chinese citizens. https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/healt...ntl/index.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/29/w...lth-china.html

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    China has come to realize what it has done to it’s own nation and people. The people of China now want to move on, to become consumers rather than just producers. They have also realized that they want to move forward and become an advanced nation. They want to implement green technology and heal their nation. https://ensia.com/voices/china-is-a-...what-you-read/


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    But America wants to take off where china left off, and become the new producer of the world. America is going full out. We are mining and drilling like never before, and not just for our own energy independence as we have been told. Rather, we are making deals to supply our resources to others in the world. We are working on becoming the worlds new supplier. Not only that, we are also selling our own resources on our land to other nations. We are working hard to become the world’s manufacturer in order to make America great again. We want to prosper, it sounds a lot like what china just moved on from.


    Instead of moving forward with the rest of the world we are moving backwards into the fossil fuel age. We are plundering at a rapid rate, and the consequences are already starting to become apparent. We are seeing gas leaks, oils spills, gas explosions, and manmade red tides.


    When a nation decides that in order to prosper that we need to plunder the lands and use up all of the resources in our one lifetime, and make as much money as we can while we can, then they are taking what belongs to everyone and destroying and burning it all up. No one prospers in the end. For a time the bank accounts of the ultra wealthy will bulge and fatten. The coffers will overflow in abundance. But the thing is that it cannot last. This is a temporary gain, with a very long term damage. The damage that will be done to our earth cannot just be undone. In the case of nuclear energy it can take millions and millions of years to recover.


    We are going down a road of no return once we go down this road there is no coming back.


    Our current administration is blinded by greed. It almost seems like we were infiltrated by an enemy nation from the inside in order that America will fall and be destroyed.


    What they do not know is that there is a reason we refrained from being the world’s manufacturer. We allowed China to take one for the team. I do not agree with this, I am just stating how it is. Not just the US but the whole world did this. We were preserving our lands, and held them to be our national treasures. We made parks and made them off limits, in order to preserve the best of our nation. We did not use up our resource reserves, because we felt we had a responsibility to preserve them for future generations. We allowed other nations who did not feel the same way, to use up theirs while we held onto ours. It was also a strategic move by our nation, that if the rest of the world ran out of resources we would still have ours.


    We allowed other nations to pollute and destroy their own nations, and those nations benefited because we purchased their goods. We benefited because we didn’t have to make those goods or destroy our own lands.


    But the tides have turned. Our president has de regulated everything that he could, and he is not done yet. He is making it so there are no safe guards for the public. He is making is so that anything goes, and no one is to be held accountable. We are going to be seeing a lot more environmental disasters in the near future, and communities that are made sick and who are poisoned from dangerous business practices. Like I said before, I lived near Hanford and that was a toxic place to live, and that was when there were regulations. These regulations were a joke, but our administration thought even those regulations were too much.


    What do you do when and entire population of people get nerve damage, and their babies are born with defects and half the city has cancer? These are crimes against humanity caused by the corporations of the world. You can expect it to get much worse, I fear we haven’t seen anything yet.

    Are we ready to become the new china? If we don't take measures we are going got be in serious trouble.


    To be like China we'd have to dramatically cut our debt.

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