User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 21

Thread: Could we Run Out of Fresh water in 12 years???

  1. #11
    Points: 28,552, Level: 41
    Level completed: 22%, Points required for next Level: 1,098
    Overall activity: 49.0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered25000 Experience Points
    Captdon's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    4824
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    South Carolina now.
    Posts
    13,552
    Points
    28,552
    Level
    41
    Thanks Given
    22,159
    Thanked 4,816x in 3,774 Posts
    Mentioned
    59 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Does your whole world revolve around shitting on JAP's threads? It sure seems like it.
    Kiss off. I don't answer to you. I post to everyone's threads that interest me. That includes yours.

    I don't agree with you and I say so. I don't agree with him and I say so. I say so to a lot of people. You two aren't special nor have any special interest to me. You don't see me whining when people disagree with me. That's called maturity.

    Why don't you go back down in the Hole and bad mouth me?


    white feather.jpg
    Last edited by Captdon; 10-06-2018 at 01:49 PM.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

  2. #12
    Points: 11,998, Level: 26
    Level completed: 28%, Points required for next Level: 652
    Overall activity: 37.0%
    Achievements:
    10000 Experience Points1 year registeredSocial
    Just AnotherPerson's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    19015
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Posts
    1,984
    Points
    11,998
    Level
    26
    Thanks Given
    1,560
    Thanked 976x in 714 Posts
    Mentioned
    23 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Here are a few links for anyone who is interested on lakes that may be drying up, or have already dried up. It is just for information purposes.

    10 lakes that are disappearing or are already gone
    http://mentalfloss.com/article/56732...r-already-gone


    Five of the worlds lakes at risk of drying up completely
    https://www.accuweather.com/en/weath...ng-up/30646819

    Are the great Lakes drying up?
    http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2013/...akes-declining
    We are all brothers and sisters in humanity. We are all made from the same dust of stars. We cannot be separated because all life is interconnected.

  3. #13
    Points: 28,552, Level: 41
    Level completed: 22%, Points required for next Level: 1,098
    Overall activity: 49.0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered25000 Experience Points
    Captdon's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    4824
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    South Carolina now.
    Posts
    13,552
    Points
    28,552
    Level
    41
    Thanks Given
    22,159
    Thanked 4,816x in 3,774 Posts
    Mentioned
    59 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    Here are a few links for anyone who is interested on lakes that may be drying up, or have already dried up. It is just for information purposes.

    10 lakes that are disappearing or are already gone
    http://mentalfloss.com/article/56732...r-already-gone


    Five of the worlds lakes at risk of drying up completely
    https://www.accuweather.com/en/weath...ng-up/30646819

    Are the great Lakes drying up?
    http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2013/...akes-declining
    The Great Lakes aren't drying up but you'd be spot on about the huge aquifer out West. We have wasted it for a hundred years. I don't agree with you much bit you're onto something here. We can solve the problem but we do have to stop making it worse it first.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to Captdon For This Useful Post:

    Peter1469 (10-06-2018)

  5. #14
    Points: 6,900, Level: 19
    Level completed: 79%, Points required for next Level: 150
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class10000 Experience PointsVeteran
    southwest88's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    9450
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    1,788
    Points
    6,900
    Level
    19
    Thanks Given
    1,095
    Thanked 794x in 601 Posts
    Mentioned
    41 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Does everyone get a seat @ the table?

    Yep, a lot of related issues: Too much fertilizer used on crops, the excess runs off into the water system - either the water table or into rivers, & eventually to the oceans - where it creates dead zones. Fertilizers in the US are typically made from natural gas, so if the price of natural gas rises sufficiently, there will be natural incentives to apply just enough fertilizer. We need to find ways to get drug residues & other biological/chemical contaminants out of water we take into water treatment plants, clean up, & then return to the water table or rivers.

    Further down the line - we need to find alternatives to feeding crops to cattle, pigs, etc. for meat animals. It may mean eating further down the food chain - textured soy or something similar. The energy & water costs in our current agriculture/meat production systems are too high. We may not be able to finagle massive increases in crop yields in order to keep up with rising populations, even if the rate of rise seems to be stabilizing. What happens when people are hungry?

  6. The Following User Says Thank You to southwest88 For This Useful Post:

    Just AnotherPerson (10-06-2018)

  7. #15
    Original Ranter
    Points: 474,388, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 100.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    415053
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    144,565
    Points
    474,388
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    83,234
    Thanked 66,027x in 45,093 Posts
    Mentioned
    2160 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by southwest88 View Post
    Yep, a lot of related issues: Too much fertilizer used on crops, the excess runs off into the water system - either the water table or into rivers, & eventually to the oceans - where it creates dead zones. Fertilizers in the US are typically made from natural gas, so if the price of natural gas rises sufficiently, there will be natural incentives to apply just enough fertilizer. We need to find ways to get drug residues & other biological/chemical contaminants out of water we take into water treatment plants, clean up, & then return to the water table or rivers.

    Further down the line - we need to find alternatives to feeding crops to cattle, pigs, etc. for meat animals. It may mean eating further down the food chain - textured soy or something similar. The energy & water costs in our current agriculture/meat production systems are too high. We may not be able to finagle massive increases in crop yields in order to keep up with rising populations, even if the rate of rise seems to be stabilizing. What happens when people are hungry?
    This run-off issue is a much bigger and immediate concern than global warming.
    Alea iacta est

    Check out the blog.


  8. #16
    Points: 11,998, Level: 26
    Level completed: 28%, Points required for next Level: 652
    Overall activity: 37.0%
    Achievements:
    10000 Experience Points1 year registeredSocial
    Just AnotherPerson's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    19015
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Posts
    1,984
    Points
    11,998
    Level
    26
    Thanks Given
    1,560
    Thanked 976x in 714 Posts
    Mentioned
    23 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Miami will be underwater soon. Its drinking water could go first
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/real...cid=spartanntp

    BBO08zz.jpg

    Climate change is slowly pulling that machine apart. Barring a stupendous reversal in greenhouse gas emissions, the rising Atlantic will cover much of Miami by the end of this century. The economic effects will be devastating: Zillow Inc. estimates that six feet of sea-level rise would put a quarter of Miami’s homes underwater, rendering $200 billion of real estate worthless. But global warming poses a more immediate danger: The permeability that makes the aquifer so easily accessible also makes it vulnerable. “It’s very easy to contaminate our aquifer,” says Rachel Silverstein, executive director of Miami Waterkeeper, a local environmental protection group. And the consequences could be sweeping. “Drinking water supply is always an existential question.”

    County officials agree with her. “The minute the world thinks your water supply is in danger, you’ve got a problem,” says James Murley, chief resilience officer for Miami-Dade, although he adds that the county’s water system remains “one of the best” in the U.S. The questions hanging over Miami and the rest of Southeast Florida are how long it can keep its water safe, and at what cost. As the region struggles with more visible climate problems, including increasingly frequent flooding and this summer’s toxic algae blooms, the risks to the aquifer grow, and they’re all the more insidious for being out of sight. If Miami-Dade can’t protect its water supply, whether it can handle the other manifestations of climate change won’t matter.

    We are all brothers and sisters in humanity. We are all made from the same dust of stars. We cannot be separated because all life is interconnected.

  9. #17
    Points: 11,998, Level: 26
    Level completed: 28%, Points required for next Level: 652
    Overall activity: 37.0%
    Achievements:
    10000 Experience Points1 year registeredSocial
    Just AnotherPerson's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    19015
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Posts
    1,984
    Points
    11,998
    Level
    26
    Thanks Given
    1,560
    Thanked 976x in 714 Posts
    Mentioned
    23 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    When In Drought: States Take On Urgent Negotiations To Avoid Colorado River Crisis
    https://www.npr.org/2018/10/14/65634...do-river-crisi

    img_2879_wide-856c304eefdd2ac26c0b9a75a0c99232bccdd94c-s800-c85.jpg

    In 2007, years into a record-breaking drought throughout the southwestern U.S., officials along the Colorado River finally came to an agreement on how they'd deal with future water shortages — and then quietly hoped that wet weather would return.


    But it didn't.

    Those states are now back at the negotiating table to hammer out new deals to avoid a slow-moving crisis on the river system that supports 40 million people in seven Western states.

    The extent of the problem can be seen in a place like Page, Ariz., on the southern edge of Lake Powell, the second-largest reservoir in the country.


    Jennifer Pitt, who works on Colorado River policy for the National Audubon Society, is standing on an overlook peering down at the lake itself and the giant concrete dam holding it in place.

    "Now you can tell that there's a river here underneath this reservoir because it has somewhat of a linear shape," Pitt says, tracing the red rock canyon with her finger. "And it's wending its way towards where we're standing, here, overlooking the Glen Canyon Dam."


    The canyon beyond the dam is stained with a stark white ring. This past year was one of the driest on record, and this spring the reservoir only received about a third of the amount of water it does in an average year.


    For the past 20 years, Pitt says, demands for water have outstripped the supply, meaning Lake Powell and its sister reservoir, Lake Mead further downstream, continue to drop. Both are less than half full.

    Pitt says without changes to how the two human-made lakes are managed, they could plummet to levels where no water can be released, referred to as "dead pool."

    "If that happened, that would be a catastrophe for this region's economy, for all of the people who depend on the Colorado River, and for all of the wildlife that depends on it as well," Pitt says.

    Drought contingency planning

    That dystopian future of shuttered farms, dried up streams and water-stressed cities is one water managers, like the Upper Colorado River Commission's James Eklund, are attempting to avoid.

    "Take Lake Mead," Eklund says. "More is being taken out than comes into it. Like your bank account, if you do that over a sustained period you will run a deficit, and if you're talking about water for 40 million people and economies that are massive — [the] fifth largest economy in the world [is what] the Colorado River Basin represents — then that's significant.

    "
    Water managers are attempting to boost reservoir levels with a suite of agreements under the umbrella of "drought contingency planning." The premise is simple: Cut water use now, and use that saved water to bump up Powell and Mead to help to avoid bigger problems in the future, when supplies are likely to be even tighter.

    Water officials in Colorado, Utah, New Mexico and Wyoming are working on a plan that covers the river's Upper Basin and focuses on boosting snowpack with weather modification, better managing existing reservoirs and creating a water bank in Lake Powell.


    We are all brothers and sisters in humanity. We are all made from the same dust of stars. We cannot be separated because all life is interconnected.

  10. #18
    Points: 99,514, Level: 76
    Level completed: 84%, Points required for next Level: 436
    Overall activity: 46.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    donttread's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    78647
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    33,456
    Points
    99,514
    Level
    76
    Thanks Given
    4,783
    Thanked 10,612x in 7,982 Posts
    Mentioned
    205 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    I read an article yesterday, it was talking about how much resources we have left. I will tell you what the article said was startling. Running out of oil, and coal, yeah that is an issue, but the one that stood out to me the most, was fresh water. The article stated that we may only have about 12 years of fresh water left. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...tanntp#image=1 I think it mentioned something like 1/2 the world will be out of fresh water by 2030.

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2017...of-fresh-water

    (I dont know the validity of that article, feel free to vet it till the cows come home. I am going to give my opinions on a what if.)

    So let's say that the experts say we have 12 years left of fresh water. That does not count for pollution, and the waters that we render undrinkable in the mean time. It really could be less than 12 years when you take into account de-regulation and the plundering of resources. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.37e8643ff710

    If we were to run out of fresh water we would not be able to water our crops, you could say goodbye to steak, pork, and chicken. We would die. There would be mass starvation. At first there would be water migration, and places like California, Nevada, Colorado, and Arizona, would all become ghost towns. Many people would die. The only places that would have water would be like Montana, Washington state, and Canada for a while. I mean this is deadly serious if it is true. We would have water wars, and not in the far off future either. https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2734/n...al-freshwater/

    https://www.nasa.gov/content/esd-fre...r-availability

    We need to be working on desalinating right now. We can't wait till we have 6 months, or 1 year left of water to start building, and perfecting the plants. This is a matter of world, or national security, call it what you want, but it is a real life emergency. We need to start working on the plants now, and start building pipeline infrastructure that will transport the water.

    We also need to consider trying to reduce our pollution because we are going to be consuming that pollution. If the ocean water is killing sea life, it will kill us too.

    Even as a small child I knew that one day we could run out of water. It is something that even a child can know about. I remember my mother used to de thaw chickens in the sink from the freezer. She would just put it under the tap and turn it on. I would be looking at that water and thinking there will be one day when we will wish for every last drop of that water. I could see how we were wasting a precious resource that we one day may not have.

    We have really dropped the ball when it comes to taking care of the planet that gives us life. Here is another interesting article on resources. I will just link it if anyone is interested in further reading. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/...research.waste

    Keep water in it's own water shed and it will go to ground, maybe not as fast as we'd like but it will. Hydrate Vegas and you might as well fire the water into outer space.

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to donttread For This Useful Post:

    Just AnotherPerson (10-25-2018)

  12. #19
    Points: 5,545, Level: 17
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 205
    Overall activity: 24.0%
    Achievements:
    Tagger First ClassYour first Group3 months registered5000 Experience Points
    Admiral Ackbar's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    868
    Join Date
    Jun 2018
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    1,045
    Points
    5,545
    Level
    17
    Thanks Given
    584
    Thanked 858x in 524 Posts
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I live in Great Lakes Region. Things looking good here.
    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"----Fletcher in The Outlaw Josey Wales

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to Admiral Ackbar For This Useful Post:

    donttread (10-25-2018)

  14. #20
    Points: 17,387, Level: 31
    Level completed: 94%, Points required for next Level: 63
    Overall activity: 12.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran25000 Experience Points
    countryboy's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    9050
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Ohio, USA
    Posts
    5,743
    Points
    17,387
    Level
    31
    Thanks Given
    1,690
    Thanked 2,277x in 1,631 Posts
    Mentioned
    115 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    I read an article yesterday, it was talking about how much resources we have left. I will tell you what the article said was startling. Running out of oil, and coal, yeah that is an issue, but the one that stood out to me the most, was fresh water. The article stated that we may only have about 12 years of fresh water left. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...tanntp#image=1 I think it mentioned something like 1/2 the world will be out of fresh water by 2030.

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2017...of-fresh-water

    (I dont know the validity of that article, feel free to vet it till the cows come home. I am going to give my opinions on a what if.)

    So let's say that the experts say we have 12 years left of fresh water. That does not count for pollution, and the waters that we render undrinkable in the mean time. It really could be less than 12 years when you take into account de-regulation and the plundering of resources. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.37e8643ff710

    If we were to run out of fresh water we would not be able to water our crops, you could say goodbye to steak, pork, and chicken. We would die. There would be mass starvation. At first there would be water migration, and places like California, Nevada, Colorado, and Arizona, would all become ghost towns. Many people would die. The only places that would have water would be like Montana, Washington state, and Canada for a while. I mean this is deadly serious if it is true. We would have water wars, and not in the far off future either. https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2734/n...al-freshwater/

    https://www.nasa.gov/content/esd-fre...r-availability

    We need to be working on desalinating right now. We can't wait till we have 6 months, or 1 year left of water to start building, and perfecting the plants. This is a matter of world, or national security, call it what you want, but it is a real life emergency. We need to start working on the plants now, and start building pipeline infrastructure that will transport the water.

    We also need to consider trying to reduce our pollution because we are going to be consuming that pollution. If the ocean water is killing sea life, it will kill us too.

    Even as a small child I knew that one day we could run out of water. It is something that even a child can know about. I remember my mother used to de thaw chickens in the sink from the freezer. She would just put it under the tap and turn it on. I would be looking at that water and thinking there will be one day when we will wish for every last drop of that water. I could see how we were wasting a precious resource that we one day may not have.

    We have really dropped the ball when it comes to taking care of the planet that gives us life. Here is another interesting article on resources. I will just link it if anyone is interested in further reading. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/...research.waste
    Demonstrating yet again, you will believe anything. Lol.....

    Progressivism, ideas so good, they have to be mandatory

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts


Critical Acclaim
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO