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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    Rand Paul
    (1) Although Rand Paul is not precisely a RINO--some people do describe him as such; but I would demur--he is certainly not a conservative, as most Republicans are. He might best be described as a libertarian.

    So allow me to re-phrase, please: Do me the courtesy, please, of naming one or two conservative Republicans who have genuine integrity, in your opinion.

    And you simply ignored my other question, viz.: What "reasons," in your opinion, would Sen. Murkowski have had for voting against Brett Kavanaugh?

    Do you suppose that it might have been that she did not want to see another constitutionalist on the bench--someone who would confine himself to interpreting the law, instead of making new law?

    Or perhaps you have something else in mind, altogether.

    If so, you may tell us all just what it is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    (1) Although Rand Paul is not precisely a RINO--some people do describe him as such; but I would demur--he is certainly not a conservative, as most Republicans are. He might best be described as a libertarian.

    So allow me to re-phrase, please: Do me the courtesy, please, of naming one or two conservative Republicans who have genuine integrity, in your opinion.

    And you simply ignored my other question, viz.: What "reasons," in your opinion, would Sen. Murkowski have had for voting against Brett Kavanaugh?

    Do you suppose that it might have been that she did not want to see another constitutionalist on the bench--someone who would confine himself to interpreting the law, instead of making new law?

    Or perhaps you have something else in mind, altogether.

    If so, you may tell us all just what it is...
    I said Paul because he says what he thinks without worrying about whether it plays well with conservatives. He is certainly a libertarian but he caucuses with the R's.

    Its hard to know what the bar is for some conservatives when it comes to the RINO label but as far as you question goes I'd mention Sasse and Corker.

    Finally, I doubt it had anything to do with the Constitutionalist issue. My guess, and it is a guess is Murkowski saw K's demeanor during the second hearing and she was alarmed by what she saw. Only she knows the real reason for her opposition.
    One can be sure that he who says he knows knows nothing

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    Banishing Murkowski would backfire on Republicans because then she'd just become a Democrat and give Democrats an extra seat on the committees. Jim Jeffords and Steve Lebsock in the Colorado state Congress are two examples of politicians who changed parties to screw their old party.

    If you want to beat Murkowski, primary her in 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    I said Paul because he says what he thinks without worrying about whether it plays well with conservatives. He is certainly a libertarian but he caucuses with the R's.

    Its hard to know what the bar is for some conservatives when it comes to the RINO label but as far as you question goes I'd mention Sasse and Corker.

    Finally, I doubt it had anything to do with the Constitutionalist issue. My guess, and it is a guess is Murkowski saw K's demeanor during the second hearing and she was alarmed by what she saw. Only she knows the real reason for her opposition.
    Rand Paul really does not have a proper home. Caucusing with the Republicans probably makes more sense for him than caucusing with the Democrats would--just as Bernie Sanders' caucusing with the Democrats makes more sense than his caucusing with the Republicans would--but it is far from a perfect fit, in either case.

    Bob Corker is one of my two senators. Thankfully, he is not running for re-election--presumably, because he knows that he could not win, given his centrist (and often anti-Trump) views.

    (By the way, the same goes for Jeff Flake, of Arizona.)

    It would seem, however, that your definition of "integrity" is opposition to the Republican majority...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I do not agree with this, I dont care if you are a republican or a democrat, you are elected to represent your constituency and they should decide whether you are a Republican Senator or not.
    Everyone has the right to vote on issues they way they choose and the voters are the ones that decide.


    The leadership of the party she affiliates with is considering withdrawing their support of her. That's all. They aren't attempting to kick her out of office.

    Voters don't decide whether one is a Republican or Democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    (1) Although Rand Paul is not precisely a RINO--some people do describe him as such; but I would demur--he is certainly not a conservative, as most Republicans are. He might best be described as a libertarian.

    So allow me to re-phrase, please: Do me the courtesy, please, of naming one or two conservative Republicans who have genuine integrity, in your opinion.

    And you simply ignored my other question, viz.: What "reasons," in your opinion, would Sen. Murkowski have had for voting against Brett Kavanaugh?

    Do you suppose that it might have been that she did not want to see another constitutionalist on the bench--someone who would confine himself to interpreting the law, instead of making new law?

    Or perhaps you have something else in mind, altogether.

    If so, you may tell us all just what it is...

    I dispute your comment that most Republicans are conservatives. Obviously there are more Republicans who are conservatives vs Democrats, but I'd say the majority of Republicans are moderately liberal. Less liberal than most Democrats.

    Also a constitutionalist is one who does not support justices or judges making new law, i.e. judicial activism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I dispute your comment that most Republicans are conservatives.
    Perhaps not in the Trumpian mold.

    But would you not say that most Republicans are conservatives in the National Review (or Weekly Standard) mold?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Also a constitutionalist is one who does not support justices or judges making new law, i.e. judicial activism.
    Agreed. Completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Perhaps not in the Trumpian mold.

    But would you not say that most Republicans are conservatives in the National Review (or Weekly Standard) mold?



    Agreed. Completely.

    I would say that there was a time when most Republicans were conservatives in any mold, but that was a long time ago. There are just a handful of conservatives left in the GOP.

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