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    The US Army is preparing to fight in Europe, but can it even get there?

    The US Army is preparing to fight in Europe, but can it even get there?

    "Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics." attributable to some egg-head logistics officer.

    Certainly logistics is important. It gets the trigger pullers into the fight and sustains them during and after the fight. This article discusses the Army's current sea-lift capacity and doubts that we could get enough troops and equipment to Europe in time, and sustain the force, if a major war broke out. For a few reasons: we have too few vessels available; many vessels are near the end of their hull lives and the engineers that are qualified to maintain steam driven engines are mostly close to retirement; the US gave up its ship building capability (reasons don't matter for this thread).

    One partial fix: forward deploy combat platforms and equipment in Europe like we use to. That way you only need to transport troops and then sustain them. It cuts out the need to transport the heavy stuff.

    With Russia’s reemergence as a menace in Europe, the U.S. Army has been laying the foundations to fight once again on the continent it defended through most of the 20th century. But if war were to break out tomorrow, the U.S. military could be hard-pressed to move the number of tanks, heavy guns and equipment needed to face off with Russian forces.And even if the Army could get there in numbers, then the real problems would start: how would the U.S. sustain them?



    The U.S. sealift capacity — the ships that would ultimately be used to transport Army equipment from the states to Europe or Asia — is orders of magnitude smaller than it was during World War II. Combine that with the fact that the commercial shipbuilding industry in the U.S. is all but gone, and the U.S. can’t launch the kind of massive buildup of logistics ships it undertook during wartime decades ago.



    Among the ships the country has for sealift and logistics forces, the Government Accountability Office has found a steady increase in mission-limiting equipment failures, which raises questions about how many might actually be available if the balloon goes up.





    The ships the U.S. counts among its ready stock available for a large-scale contingency are 46 ships in the Ready Reserve Force, 15 ships in the Military Sealift Command surge force, and roughly 60 U.S.-flagged commercial ships in the Maritime Security Program available to the military in a crisis,



    The 46 Ready Reserve Force ships, overseen by the Maritime Administration, are old and rapidly approaching the end of their hull life, as are many of the senior engineers who are still qualified and able to work on the aging steam propulsion plants.



    This is setting up a struggle to get more funding into sealift as the Defense Department realigns itself for the potential of largescale combat operations after 17 years focused on small wars.
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    I thought we wanted to get out of Europe?


    Yeah, lets release this but of news to the rest of the planet. Then they will think we can't get our people and equipment to wherever. Works for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I thought we wanted to get out of Europe?


    Yeah, lets release this but of news to the rest of the planet. Then they will think we can't get our people and equipment to wherever. Works for me.
    It would be hard to imagine that Russia did not already know this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    It would be hard to imagine that Russia did not already know this.
    Well uh yeah.....especially after breaching the Demos and their Donors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well uh yeah.....especially after breaching the Demos and their Donors.
    Not to mention all of the spies they have here these days- the FBI claim it is back to Cold War levels. Plus, a lot of this information could have been found in open sources for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Not to mention all of the spies they have here these days- the FBI claim it is back to Cold War levels. Plus, a lot of this information could have been found in open sources for decades.
    I never thought the FBI was suitable enough to deal with spies. DHS doesn't seem to be doing much better. Maybe we should go back to the NSA handling that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I never thought the FBI was suitable enough to deal with spies. DHS doesn't seem to be doing much better. Maybe we should go back to the NSA handling that matter.
    The last guy in charge of FBI counter terrorism was more interested in Trump than doing his job.
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    How about if we tried to tone things down with Russia a bit? There is no real world reason at this point for us to be in such a confrontation with them that war would result. One thing we have to do is admit they have legit national interests especially in their near abroad area. Ukraine, Central Asia, Baltics etc...

    Now it was on the high side of stupid to allow the Baltics into NATO.. but now that it is done we need to be careful about what we put there in the way of forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The last guy in charge of FBI counter terrorism was more interested in Trump than doing his job.
    It appears the guy in Charge of the CIA too.

    Topping it off, the Dude was a Communist.
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    I'd like to know how much of a menace Russia is without nukes. They know we wouldn't allow that. If Europe can't defend itself, with being as populous are we are, then there is more wrong than us getting troops there.

    Two saves for them is my limit. They can win or lose as they will. We've lost enough for them. I don't want anymore American blood spilled for them. None.
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