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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Nothing is sacred anymore.

    Goodbye, Columbus Day





    And Jefferson owned slaves and Jack Kennedy was a womanizer , maybe Harriet Tubman was a $#@!? Did MLK ever get some on the side or did Eleanor R. really write all those clever quotes herself?
    Let it go. Realize that the version of history we reveal today probably isn't quite true either and recognize what was accomplished without trying to canonize the person accomplishing it. Most historical figures will tend to be power seekers with lots of wrong doing in their path.
    In other words grade schools of America: $#@!s can and have done important things. If there is any connection between famous deeds and character it is probably a negative one. DON'T worship other people! Period!

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    And Jefferson owned slaves and Jack Kennedy was a womanizer , maybe Harriet Tubman was a $#@!? Did MLK ever get some on the side or did Eleanor R. really write all those clever quotes herself?
    Let it go. Realize that the version of history we reveal today probably isn't quite true either and recognize what was accomplished without trying to canonize the person accomplishing it. Most historical figures will tend to be power seekers with lots of wrong doing in their path.
    In other words grade schools of America: $#@!s can and have done important things. If there is any connection between famous deeds and character it is probably a negative one. DON'T worship other people! Period!
    What Columbus's detractors omit is how by the time he arrived the native Caribs had displaced the native Taínos by warfare, extermination, and assimilation. @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Caribs
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    What Columbus's detractors omit is how by the time he arrived the native Caribs had displaced the native Taínos by warfare, extermination, and assimilation. @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Caribs
    Conflict is the default state for humans. People, and governments have acted proactively in the past, and present, to mitigate that natural impulse. (i.e. treaties, international laws of war to protect civilians in war time, economic blocks, etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Conflict is the default state for humans. People, and governments have acted proactively in the past, and present, to mitigate that natural impulse. (i.e. treaties, international laws of war to protect civilians in war time, economic blocks, etc.)

    That and poverty seem to be a natural state of humans. That's why when I see posts saying the answer is we should all just be nice and just get along I shake my head.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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