“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
"Only a rank degenerate would drive 1,500 miles across Texas and not eat a chicken fried steak." - Larry McMurtry
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler
That was not really any clearer than the first time, Chris. Again, the right is every bit as concerned about people saying and doing certain things in an "unacceptable" or non-PC way as the left is, collectively speaking, and yet they continue to insist that "being PC" is entirely a liberal phenomenon. That's one thing. In addition to that, people of all political persuasions, but especially conservatives - remember that 97% number cited in the OP - often take the whole PC thing way too seriously. As Peter noted, it's largely a university thing and rarely involves or affects the real world. (At this point, most people would simply stop and admit that they were a bit quick on the trigger when they attempted to make it appear that Polly and I had somehow contradicted ourselves. Hands of those who think Chris will do that...?)
“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
"Only a rank degenerate would drive 1,500 miles across Texas and not eat a chicken fried steak." - Larry McMurtry
silvereyes (10-13-2018)
I think that it is going too far in a lot of ways.
My goal is just to be respectful to other human beings.
Captdon (10-12-2018)
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler
I think that's a confusion about what PC means. It's not about being nice or respectful. It's about controlling language and what people are allowed to say freely.
"Political Correctness" Is About Control, Not Etiquette
...If PC truly was about kindness and respect, it wouldn’t need to be imposed on us. After all, we already have a mechanism for the social cohesion PC is said to represent: it’s called manners. And we already have specific individuals charged with insuring that good manners are instilled and upheld: they’re called parents.
Political Correctness Defined
But what exactly is PC? Let me take a stab at defining it: Political correctness is the conscious, designed manipulation of language intended to change the way people speak, write, think, feel, and act, in furtherance of an agenda.
PC is best understood as propaganda, which is how I suggest we approach it. But unlike propaganda, which historically has been used by governments to win favor for a particular campaign or effort, PC is all-encompassing. It seeks nothing less than to mold us into modern versions of Marx’s un-alienated society man, freed of all his bourgeois pretensions and humdrum social conventions.
Like all propaganda, PC fundamentally is a lie. It is about refusing to deal with the underlying nature of reality, in fact attempting to alter that reality by legislative and social fiat. A is no longer A.
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler
Want an example? Go to this thread and listen to West talk: http://thepoliticalforums.com/thread...in-Oval-Office
He's talking about liberals saying this is racist, this is racist, this is racist. The liberal, he says, will try to control the black person through the concept of racism. If I, he goes on, say I like Trump, the liberal will say but he is racist--you think racism controls me!?!?!
What he's talking about is PC.
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler
My goal is to be respectful to other human beings. That means being considerate, which includes considering what another person might find offensive. I would never use the word "retard", for example. I try to respect whatever pronouns a person wants to be identified with, although there are some where I simply don't know the preference. I try to avoid calling women things that are patronizing. On, and on. I try to be respectful - as in me, myself - and conform to many things considered to be PC that I just view as being considerate. But I would not really expect that of everyone else, although I see no reason why some people seem hell-bent on purposely not being politically correct to just make a point.
I have little tolerance for the moves to rewrite history, which is simply not possible. Removing names or statutes... depends on the situation. It is horrible that slavery was once an acceptable, normal practice in society, but that doesn't mean that the early presidents should be written out of history. Same for Canadian PMs involved in the mistreatment of aboriginals. We learn from history, we grow as a society, but it doesn't change the enormous contributions that some people have made while doing what was considered "normal" for the time they were influential. I live in DC and there are plenty of things named after confederates and it reminds me of the history, about the things the country has gone through, about things that have changed for the better - I think maybe that is a good thing.
But yeah, it is about being respectful and considerate at least to a degree. What is currently happening with safe spaces and all that bull$#@!, that is the PC part that is ridiculous and goes too far. On a personal level, I think things would be fine if everyone just tried to be considerate.
Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler
Captdon (10-12-2018)