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    What the media aren’t telling you about Jamal Khashoggi

    What the media aren’t telling you about Jamal Khashoggi

    Not sure if anyone here is following this. Saudi dissident / journalist Jamal Khashoggi entered the Saudi embassy in Istanbul and never came out- alive that is. What happened?

    As someone who spent three decades working closely with intelligence services in the Arab world and the West, the Saudi dissident and Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi knew he was taking a huge risk in entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last week to try to obtain a document certifying he had divorced his ex-wife.

    A one-time regime insider turned critic of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman — the de facto head of the Saudi kingdom which tolerates no criticism whatsoever — Khashoggi had been living in Washington for the previous year in self-imposed exile amid a crackdown on independent voices in his homeland.


    He had become the darling of western commentators on the Middle East. With almost two million Twitter followers, he was the most famous political pundit in the Arab world and a regular guest on the major TV news networks in Britain and the United States. Would the Saudis dare to cause him harm? It turns out that the answer to that question was ‘You betcha.’


    Following uneventful visits to the consulate and, earlier, the Saudi embassy in Washington, Khashoggi was lured into a murderous plan so brazen, so barbaric, that it would seem far-fetched as a subplot in a John le Carré novel. He went inside the Istanbul consulate, but failed to emerge. Turkish police and intelligence officials claimed that a team of 15 hitmen carrying Saudi diplomatic passports arrived the same morning on two private jets. Their convoy of limousines arrived at the consulate building shortly before Khashoggi did.


    Their not-so-secret mission? To torture, then execute, Khashoggi, and videotape the ghastly act for whoever had given the order for his merciless dispatch. Khashoggi’s body, Turkish officials say, was dismembered and packed into boxes before being whisked away in a black van with darkened windows. The assassins fled the country.


    Saudi denials were swift. The ambassador to Washington said reports that Saudi authorities had killed Khashoggi were ‘absolutely false’. But under the circumstances — with his fiancée waiting for him, and no security cameras finding any trace of his leaving the embassy — the world is left wondering if bin Salman directed this murder. When another Saudi official chimed in that ‘with no body, there is no crime’, it was unclear whether he was being ironic. Is this great reforming prince, with aims the West applauds, using brutal methods to dispose of his enemies? What we have learned so far is far from encouraging. A Turkish newspaper close to the government this week published the photographs and names of the alleged Saudi hitmen, and claims to have identified three of them as members of bin Salman’s personal protection team.


    There are also reports in the American media that all surveillance footage was removed from the consulate building, and that all local Turkish employees there were suddenly given the day off. According to the New York Times, among the assassination team was the kingdom’s top forensic expert, who brought a bone saw to dismember Khashoggi’s body. None of this has yet been independently verified, but a very dark narrative is emerging.


    In many respects, bin Salman’s regime has been revolutionary: he has let women drive, sided with Israel against Iran and curtailed the religious police. When Boris Johnson was foreign secretary, he said that bin Salman was the best thing to happen to the region in at least a decade, that the style of government of this 33-year-old prince was utterly different. But the cruelty and the bloodletting have not stopped. Saudi Arabia still carries out many public beheadings and other draconian corporal punishments. It continues to wage a war in Yemen which has killed at least 10,000 civilians.


    Princes and businessmen caught up in a corruption crackdown are reported to have been tortured; Shia demonstrators have been mowed down in the streets and had their villages reduced to rubble; social media activists have been sentenced to thousands of lashes; families of overseas-based activists have been arbitrarily arrested. In an attempt to justify this, bin Salman said this week he was ‘trying to get rid of extremism and terrorism without civil war, without stopping the country from growing, with continuous progress in all elements,’ adding: ‘So if there is a small price in that area, it’s better than paying a big debt to do that move.’


    The fate of Khashoggi has at least provoked global outrage, but it’s for all the wrong reasons. We are told he was a liberal, Saudi progressive voice fighting for freedom and democracy, and a martyr who paid the ultimate price for telling the truth to power. This is not just wrong, but distracts us from understanding what the incident tells us about the internal power dynamics of a kingdom going through an unprecedented period of upheaval. It is also the story of how one man got entangled in a Saudi ruling family that operates like the Mafia. Once you join, it’s for life, and if you try to leave, you become disposable.
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    Is he now pig feed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Is he now pig feed?
    Do they have pigs in Saudi Arabia?

    Probably dissolved in acid.
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    From reading the entire article, the "what" of its title would appear to refer to the journalist's Muslim Brotherhood ties...but to the author's credit, he doesn't - though I'd imagine some will - attempt to use that to justify what the Saudi government seems to have done to him. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, the Trump administration does in response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    From reading the entire article, the "what" of its title would appear to refer to the journalist's Muslim Brotherhood ties...but to the author's credit, he doesn't - though I'd imagine some will - attempt to use that to justify what the Saudi government seems to have done to him. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, the Trump administration does in response.
    Other articles suggest the Trump administration is putting at least some pressure on Saudi Arabia. Some in Congress wants sanctions.

    Yes the reporter was MB. He also has been living in DC for a while.
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    I am not buying it. You see this a lot some of these go missing and they show up later in another country. Like the media reported one was poisoned earlier this year by Russia, but it was a lie. They set this up to get him out.

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    Pence was talking about it yesterday.....he said the US is asking for answers.
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    I saw an article in WaPo that suggests US and other national intelligence believe it was a redention operation gone bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Do they have pigs in Saudi Arabia?

    Probably dissolved in acid.
    Might have stuffed him under that black rock they all walk around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    What the media aren’t telling you about Jamal Khashoggi

    Not sure if anyone here is following this. Saudi dissident / journalist Jamal Khashoggi entered the Saudi embassy in Istanbul and never came out- alive that is. What happened?



    Read the rest at the link.
    Salmonella killed him!
    The Ottoman Turks helped!
    It must have been something he said!
    He thought he was the Bosshoggi, and he wasn't!

    Jeez! Can't we just pin this on Putin?

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