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    One would think that since the production of global warming alarmism that has produced zero predictions that have come true should make one think.

    The end times alarmist claim, as the years go by, gets pushed out another 10 years or so.

    The fact that observed science is not following the computer model predicted science should be a clue.

    The continued statements from some of the leaders that capitalism must be abolished to fight global warming should also be a clue that this is political and not about real science.
    Barack Obama had IRS target conservatives. his admin ran guns to cartels. He sent pallets of $ to IRAN, signed illegal amnesty, & colluded w/Putin on Uranium1, & yet the focus is on Trump saying,"f___" when hearing Dem lawyers will try to kill his presidency. PATHETIC

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    We live in an economic world. Want to solve a problem, any problem, just make the solutions salable, make them attractive, valuable so people spend on and invest in it. Government solutions tend to hurt the economy.
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    Ethereal wrote:
    I think the best response to global warming and climate change in general is to plant more trees and to protect existing forests from destruction.
    Entrusting business corporations to behave in such a way voluntarily doesn't seem to be working out, I would observe.

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    And continue to improve green energy to eventually replace fossil fuels. We could do it by the end of the century.
    According to the recent IPCC report, we have less than 12 years to make the difference we need to make to prevent the very most catastrophic consequences from being realized, not until the end of the century, and we as a planet have quite a long ways to go in that very small time window. Serious governmental intervention is absolutely required, and not just in one country. This needs to be treated as what it is: a global emergency. It's not gonna happen. It should, but it won't. Hence my pessimistic tone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I'm reading James C. Scott's Against the Grain: A Deep History of the Earliest States a review of the archeological and anthropological literature of early man's transition from hunter-gathers to agro-pastoralists to what led man to concentrate in towns and cities and then, much later, to form the first states. The most likely explanation is climate change that reduced arable land and water supply and close people in together. If so then we've been through this before and adapted, probably many times.

    Also people in large groups suck. so once one city state formed it became self defense to form your own. But now everybody had stores to raid and so on the cycle continues to this day. What are the ME wars if not a modern form of "stores raiding"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Entrusting business corporations to behave in such a way voluntarily doesn't seem to be working out, I would observe.



    According to the recent IPCC report, we have less than 12 years to make the difference we need to make to prevent the very most catastrophic consequences from being realized, not until the end of the century, and we as a planet have quite a long ways to go in that very small time window. Serious governmental intervention is absolutely required, and not just in one country. This needs to be treated as what it is: a global emergency. It's not gonna happen. It should, but it won't. Hence my pessimistic tone.
    I wouldn't worry about the 12 year doom warning. We have passed several of those warnings since the 1980s- they just set another doom warning and continue to advocate for radical and overly expensive changes that are dubious at best (spending trillions of dollars to force change that is naturally evolving over time anyway).

    Man first used wood for energy- that pollutes a lot and clearly kills a lot of trees- it is not possible to go back to this with the global population. Then man shifted to coal- again high pollution. Then shifted to oil and natural gas- still pollution but less. We won't be on fossil fuels much longer. Man continues to advance. Look at China- they are polluting themselves to death and now are the largest pusher for alternative energy sources, although their solar panels are still crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Entrusting business corporations to behave in such a way voluntarily doesn't seem to be working out, I would observe.



    According to the recent IPCC report, we have less than 12 years to make the difference we need to make to prevent the very most catastrophic consequences from being realized, not until the end of the century, and we as a planet have quite a long ways to go in that very small time window. Serious governmental intervention is absolutely required, and not just in one country. This needs to be treated as what it is: a global emergency. It's not gonna happen. It should, but it won't. Hence my pessimistic tone.
    you are too young to remember, but 45 years ago, it was predicted that all of Florida was going to be underwater by 1987..........guess they missed that one too.
    Stop reading such emotional rants, so-called final reports, and perfectly written studies. They make statements based on flawed studies.
    They fail to include celestial mechanics. While it is a complex issue, they know that certain stellar events affect us on the planet. The sun impacts what goes on in the known solar system. Gravity, electromagnetic fields, proximity, all of this stuff is higher math.
    Man has only been around a very short time compared the age of the planet. Like all preceding events, a planet killer is lurking out there. THAT is just one of the problems about celestial mechanics.
    Man is not immortal. In 100,000 years, some strange creature will be digging up our "world" if the is planet hasn't been blown to hell, guessing what it was all about.
    For waltky: http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Entrusting business corporations to behave in such a way voluntarily doesn't seem to be working out, I would observe.



    According to the recent IPCC report, we have less than 12 years to make the difference we need to make to prevent the very most catastrophic consequences from being realized, not until the end of the century, and we as a planet have quite a long ways to go in that very small time window. Serious governmental intervention is absolutely required, and not just in one country. This needs to be treated as what it is: a global emergency. It's not gonna happen. It should, but it won't. Hence my pessimistic tone.

    Entrusting the government, how's that working out?


    I see you choose to ignore the wishy washiness of the IPCC reported earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Also people in large groups suck. so once one city state formed it became self defense to form your own. But now everybody had stores to raid and so on the cycle continues to this day. What are the ME wars if not a modern form of "stores raiding"?
    The normal reaction to the formation of a state was to resist and escape it. Early states required flat, arable, watered land in order to sustain a growing number of bean counters. Escape was to the marches, the deserts, the hills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The normal reaction to the formation of a state was to resist and escape it. Early states required flat, arable, watered land in order to sustain a growing number of bean counters. Escape was to the marches, the deserts, the hills.
    And since the formation of agricultural towns and then cities, most human conflict arose on the borderlands between those who settled into the new "civilization" and those who did not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    And since the formation of agricultural towns and then cities, most human conflict arose on the borderlands between those who settled into the new "civilization" and those who did not.
    I would say more arose between those concentrations of people attacking each other, but yes there was conflict between those concentrations and those who resisted and escaped it.
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