Growing Up Homasexual

[silvereyes]

Yes, it was me who responded to you, and you twisted it into something stupid, just as you're twisting what Dave posted. Polly made herself topic.


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who is dave?

[Chris]

I would have no reason to walk up to a total stranger and out of the blue tell them they were an aberration. I have told my daughter, who has been totally deaf from birth that she is different from everyone else and she has to adapt to the hearing world since it won't adapt to her. Did I use the word "aberration"? No, because in all likelihood she would not have understood it but I did make myself clear.

You are arguing stupidly, the word has a definite meaning and I used it in the context of that meaning. You can try to change that meaning all you want, you can try to make it sound like I called Polly some horrible name but anyone with any intelligence at all would know you were arguing from a position of stupidity.

Be of good cheer.

This is the usual nonsense on this forum where a few certain people decide they know better than you what you meant and intended. It won't matter how many times and ways you expplain yourself, they think they know better.

What is it now, close to 80, 90 posts on the meaning of aberrant, all starting with Who's cherry picking synonym to add connotative drama.

[Chris]

So if someone falls out of a tree ~ has brain damage and becomes a deviate ~ hangs around toilets at drive in theaters ~ smiling at children ~ and shoves bananas in his nose ~ how did this get thread get around to blind, no legged veterans ~ some people have progressed in the crazy direction ~ they were heading ~ to the point of ~ yeh ~ unbelievable is good ```

Ask yourself who is doing that. A whole bunch of people or just one and her buddy?

[Chris]

Let me put it this way: back when I was still playing with dolls, She-Ra (please somebody remember She-Ra!) and Princess Jasmine were totally an item, at least in my play world. I didn't even know what sex was at that age, but there were already signs is my point. It wasn't something that I chose. It was a reality.

We can choose what we act out...or perform...in real life. We don't choose our feelings though.




I sometimes feel like I could do with a little less bombardment with heterosexual culture too, but I don't get a choice in that. I go to the grocery store and every song they're playing is about a heterosexual relationship (successful or otherwise). I visit the card department and notice that all of the romance and anniversary cards depict, or appear to be directed at, opposite-sex couples. I turn on one of my game systems and remember that there are exactly two video games in my library of more than 1,600 that center lesbian characters. I go to the movies and 95% of them include heterosexual romance arcs and maybe, maybe 1% (a fairly obscure 1%) any other kind, and even that's mostly gay male relationships. Sometimes it makes me feel a little left out, you know? The main way in which lesbians are represented in the culture is through pornography, which isn't exactly always flattering. I find that situation pretty pathetic.

Just hoping to put life back in a little more perspective.



Well, as I sought to explain in that other thread, it's often said anymore that orientation is a spectrum, and I believe that's the best way of thinking of it. The famous Kinsey scale may be a good way of looking at it:

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Personally, I suspect that most people (almost certainly most females) are probably born physically oriented somewhere in the 2 to 4 range on this scale and move from there based on what their lived experience turns out like. If I'm completely honest with myself and everyone here, I would say that I have moved from maybe being a 4 on this scale to a 5 over the course of my life in terms of toward which sex I experience physical attraction.

Does that make sense?



Gay conversion therapy is still somehow legal in most U.S. states (not mine though) if that puts the situation back in perspective.

I mean things are definitely better now that they were back in like my grade school days for sure. There's definitely more acceptance now. In Vermont, I would say that the turning point came when our then-Governor Howard Dean started running for president back in 2003. That seemed to usher in a change in the public's mindset toward lesbian, gay, and bisexual people that hasn't been reversed since. Before that, there had been a backlash against the gay community going on in Vermont because we had become the first U.S. state to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples back in 2000, which was really controversial at the time.

I would also say that prominent TV talk show host Ellen DeGeneres coming out in 1997 was a smaller moment of cultural change nationwide as well. That was also very controversial at the time. There were protests, boycotts (including advertiser boycotts), death threats, all that sort of thing. But the show actually survived and went on and that set a precedent. Before that it was really the dark ages.

But there have also been some negative changes over the years as well. Companies actually seem more wary of marketing to lesbians today, both online and off, than they were 15 and 20 years ago, for example and much of what has traditionally been lesbian culture has disappeared over the course of the new millennium, in no small part owing to the ascent of the transgender movement increasingly de-legitimizing the existence of butch women in the eyes of the $#@! community. Nowadays, I'm sometimes asked on Facebook when I'll be transitioning because I'm not that traditionally feminine. But hey, there is an online community to have that exchange with now, where of course back in the days when most people didn't have internet access (my family didn't until 1999, when I turned 15), it was ultimately lonelier. But still, the crisis among butch women is real. It has been observed by many that there are fewer butch women (who still identify as female, that is) than there were in the 1950s-80s and that's remarkable considering what the conditions were back then. I feel like the transgender movement is preying on the fact that many women feel insecure about our femininity.

So it's been a mixture of positive and negative changes really. Mostly positive though on balance. But my point is that we're still a long ways from what I'd regard as where we should be.



Of course I'm not surprised. Many people always respond disproportionately to what I actually say. In point of fact, the thread has worked out better than I thought it would so far. I'm pleasantly surprised by the amount of support and sincere interest it's generated. I'm actually considering it basically a success in that sense.



Jesus, sorry I responded to you! You sounded like you were for real back on page 1. Should've known better.

...It wasn't something that I chose. It was a reality.

We can choose what we act out...or perform...in real life. We don't choose our feelings though.

As D stated last night, and any review of the scientific literature will show, we really don't know how much is genetic and how much learned. But, I agree, we do choose how to act.

...In point of fact, the thread has worked out better than I thought it would so far. I'm pleasantly surprised by the amount of support and sincere interest it's generated. I'm actually considering it basically a success in that sense.

Given that there's actually been extremely little discussion of "homasexuality," then what you aimed for and claim success at is all about sympathy.

[Standing Wolf]

There you go again. Why can't you just come out and provide an unconditional apology for your false accusation? Pride holding you back?

Because calling some of what has been directed at Polly in this thread a "critique" is exactly like calling Trump's tweeting about various public figures - women in particular - "critiques". It's a ludicrous mischaracterization.

[Chris]

Because calling some of what has been directed at Polly in this thread a "critique" is exactly like calling Trump's tweeting about various public figures - women in particular - "critiques". It's a ludicrous mischaracterization.

In your opinion. Obviously not shared by all.

[Abby08]

It's always an insult to call someone a "poopy head". It's a subjective term, based on a subjective assessment.

Typical Democrat, can't answer a straightforward question.

Tap dance all around it, say a lot, without saying anything.

That's about the time, the host says, "ok, that's great, now, answer the question."

Do you not understand the question? If someone, literally is, a poopy head, is it an insult to say so?

Think about it.

[nathanbforrest45]

I recommend that you walk up to every disabled person that you see and tell them that they are aberrations and misfits. Get back to me on how well it went.

I would have no reason to walk up to a total stranger and out of the blue tell them they were an aberration. I have told my daughter, who has been totally deaf from birth that she is different from everyone else and she has to adapt to the hearing world since it won't adapt to her. Did I use the word "aberration"? No, because in all likelihood she would not have understood it but I did make myself clear.

[nathanbforrest45]

Why don’t you keep your word and place me back on ignore. You just posted a wall of words that is a waste for anyone to read. Obviously someone isn’t going to tell their child that they are an aberration, and if they do, then that parent is an $#@! unfit to breathe oxygen. However, you have done one thing positive with your response, you just proved that people will react differently to society’s stigmas when a loved one has the stigma.

Bless your heart.

Why are you insulting my daughter by telling me she has a "stigma". She doesn't have a stigma, she has a handicap and since it was one she was born with its an aberration to the norm, the norm being those who can hear.

a mark of disgrace associated with a particular circumstance, quality, or person.
[COLOR=#878787 !important]"the stigma of having gone to prison will always be with me"[/COLOR]

synonyms:

shame, disgrace, dishonor, ignominy, opprobrium, humiliation, (bad) reputation"the stigma of bankruptcy"

[nathanbforrest45]

It’s above your pay grade, have a ranking officer explain it to you.

Isn't snark against the rules? It certainly doesn't add much to the conversation.