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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    This is the kind of crime that does not need proof.
    Bull$#@!.

    There is no such animal as a "kind of crime that doesn't need proof" to convict someone of it. You would deprive a person of his freedom just because some other person made an accusation.

    That is disgusting and completely opposed to the American concept of justice and the presumption of innocence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    There normally isn't proof of a sex assault. If a person does not go the hospital immediately afterwards, there is no way to get evidence. This is the kind of crime that does not need proof. Normally a person goes in front of a jury, and the jury decides if the person is telling the truth or a lie. If someone rapes you, all you have is your word to prove it, unless it is on camera. It is nonsense to ask for proof of a crime that happens in secret and behind closed doors. Lets be real now!
    I agree with @Cletus - this is a deeply disturbing statement on a lot of different levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Happy Halloween!!

    A group of witches invited people to a bookstore in Brooklyn on October 20th (yesterday) to participate in a public hexing of Brett Kavanaugh. The event description explained the purpose:

    "Please join us for a public hex on Brett Kavanaugh and upon all rapists and the patriarchy which emboldens, rewards and protects them. We will be embracing witchcraft’s true roots as the magik of the poor, the downtrodden and disenfranchised and it’s history as often the only weapon, the only means of exacting justice available to those of us who have been wronged by men just like him."

    The political right was all up in arms about it. Tucker Carlson of Fox News complained that 25% of the group's donations would go to Planned Parenthood to "help them continue to fund their human sacrifice rituals". Amy Kremer of Women Vote Trump PAC explained on an MSNBC roundtable: "It is a scary time right now. Sarah Sanders has been run out of restaurants. I mean, there's a list of things going on. Now you’ve got witches that are placing a hex on Brett Kavanaugh." The group's Facebook page was flooded with comments claiming that the event was an affront to Christianity, such as "Kavanaugh is a Christian. True Christians have the protection of our heavenly father against others that desire a demon attack against them." The event was vocally protested by Christian fundamentalists. Which was hilarious to watch on YouTube. There would appear to still be something about witchcraft that terrifies the adherents of more genuinely monstrous faiths.

    Honestly, I find the whole thing kind of funny. And sad. We can't do anything about Brett Kavanaugh being a Supreme Court Justice now, but at least there was this impotent cathartic thing that happened. While I cannot believe in Wicca as a matter of intellectual honesty, it's fun and satisfying stuff like this that makes me want to. Wicca is cool with me. They are on my side.
    Some Wiccans, at least. It's not as if this group represents all who follow Wicca. Personally, as somewhat of a "neo-pagan" myself, I find this kind of thing antithetical and counterproductive. Pagans should not be going out of their way to alienate people and draw negative attention to themselves. It's one thing to take a stand in defense of your beliefs, but it's another to go out in search of a fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Thanks for taking this development with the seriousness it so richly deserves, everyone.

    Magik with a K is totally to be feared!
    If wielded properly, instead of frivolously, it is a powerful force... but not in the sense of shooting lightning bolts out of your fingertips. Rather, it is the power of suggestion and influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That would be a world to fear.
    So, you're raped. Your rapist dumps you out in the middle of nowhere and by the time you get somewhere where you can report it, the evidence is pretty much gone. That victim is just $#@! out of luck?

    I fear a world where victims are left without any recourse more than I do the fictional world where acknowledging that rape is a crime that more often than not can't actually be proven empirically somehow leads to every man getting accused of rape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    So, you're raped. Your rapist dumps you out in the middle of nowhere and by the time you get somewhere where you can report it, the evidence is pretty much gone. That victim is just $#@! out of luck?

    I fear a world where victims are left without any recourse more than I do the fictional world where acknowledging that rape is a crime that more often than not can't actually be proven empirically somehow leads to every man getting accused of rape.
    I fear a world where a mere accusation can ruin the life of someone also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    I fear a world where a mere accusation can ruin the life of someone also.
    Sure - but that happens with literally every crime and always has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Sure - but that happens with literally every crime and always has.
    Which is why there is the concept of "burden of proof".

    At this point in my life I don't know who to believe and who not to believe and I fear the court of public opinion a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    Which is why there is the concept of "burden of proof".

    At this point in my life I don't know who to believe and who not to believe and I fear the court of public opinion a lot.
    It doesn't particularly matter though. I can accuse you of killing someone and have a very convincing story made up but no actual evidence. Even if you end up being proven innocent in the court system, how long did that take? How much money did you spend defending yourself? What kind of perception is there of you now as a murderer even if you've been proven innocent?

    There's a concerted effort to pretend this is something inherent to rape cases when it really isn't. And we still have to address the simple fact that it is almost impossible to prove rape happened empirically unless you report it immediately, and even then, in most cases where authorities use rape kits to test if a rape actually happened they never actually turn it in to be evaluated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    It doesn't particularly matter though. I can accuse you of killing someone and have a very convincing story made up but no actual evidence. Even if you end up being proven innocent in the court system, how long did that take? How much money did you spend defending yourself? What kind of perception is there of you now as a murderer even if you've been proven innocent?

    There's a concerted effort to pretend this is something inherent to rape cases when it really isn't. And we still have to address the simple fact that it is almost impossible to prove rape happened empirically unless you report it immediately, and even then, in most cases where authorities use rape kits to test if a rape actually happened they never actually turn it in to be evaluated.
    That's my point, I fear that arbitrary can ruin a life.

    Not sure about the rape thing, do you have statistics on that? Just curious.

    I think most unprosecuted rapes happen because the victim isn't willing to step forward.
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