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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark III View Post
    There were actually Republican liberals in 1964, in the north. That is where the GOP votes for the CRA came from, liberals and moderates. Extinct species in the GOP today.
    Good grief, your history is off.

    "sometime between the 1860s and 1936, the (Democratic) party of small government became the party of big government, and the (Republican) party of big government became rhetorically committed to curbing federal power. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffishragabash View Post
    Seems to be the norm on this website, unfortunately, but hey I hear some people need to do it ---so to prevent from committing suicide.

    anyway, I think it's very obvious that the GOP used to be the party of anti-Racism for Black citizens, up until 1959-'60.

    That is when the most influential man in Black America, Rev. MLKSr., made a deal with JFK to deliver him the Black vote for the 1960 U.S. Presidential election.

    Martin Luther King Sr. successfully delivered on his promise too, and the rest, is comatose Black History.
    ...

    This ain't completely accurately, but it's the closest we'll ever get to the truth of why Blacks quit voting GOP


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/b...evingston.html


    KENNEDY AND KING The President, the Pastor, and the Battle Over Civil Rights

    By Steven Levingston
    Illustrated. 511 pp. Hachette Books. $28.


    Early in this absorbing history, Steven Levingston tells the story of John F. Kennedy’s telephone call to one Coretta Scott King two weeks before the 1960 presidential election. Her husband had been arrested during a sit-in at an Atlanta department store, and then, after all those arrested with him were released, held for violating the terms of his “probation” for an earlier traffic violation: driving (while black) with an expired license.

    The judge sentenced the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to six months’ hard labor. The next thing Mrs. King heard was that her husband had been taken, in the dark, from the DeKalb County jail and driven more than 200 miles to the maximum security state prison in Reidsville.


    Behind the scenes, Kennedy pressed the Georgia governor to arrange King’s release. But Kennedy refused to speak out. The risk of alienating white Southerners seemed greater than any possible reward. In the end, Harris Wofford and Sargent Shriver persuaded him to telephone Mrs. King, who was six months pregnant. Kennedy told her he knew how hard it must be for her. His own wife was due in a month. “If there is anything I can do to help, please feel free to call on me.”



    Released on bail a day later, King mentioned Kennedy’s call and Vice President Richard Nixon’s silence. King did not endorse Kennedy, but news of the phone call spread quickly and undoubtedly energized black voters in a close election.

    Among those whose minds were changed was a black Southerner who (unlike most) could vote. He was Martin Luther King Sr. “I had expected to vote against Senator Kennedy because of his religion,” Daddy King said. “Now he can be my president, Catholic or whatever he is.”





    Kennedy was amused. “Imagine Martin Luther King having a bigot for a father,” he said. Then: “Well, we all have our fathers, don’t we?”




    That story has been around at least since 1965, when Arthur Schlesinger Jr. published “A Thousand Days.” So too the stories Levingston goes on to tell in “Kennedy and King” about the sit-ins, the Freedom Rides; the Albany, Ga., and Birmingham campaigns; the integration of the universities of Mississippi and Alabama; the march on Washington and much more, including several memorable conversations between King and Kennedy.

    Levingston thanks his wife and numerous archivists for their help with the research, but his greatest debt, fully acknowledged, is to books available in most public libraries: oral histories, memoirs, biographies and narrative histories, including “Parting the Waters,” the first volume of Taylor Branch’s monumental trilogy of America in the King years...
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    And Mark, this is for you, from politifact, a favorite of liberals: Steele says GOP fought hard for civil rights bills in 1960s:

    When Rand Paul of Kentucky followed up his victory in the May 18, 2010, Republican U.S. Senate primary by saying that he had some reservations about the philosophical underpinnings of the Civil Rights Act, it prompted criticism from across the ideological spectrum.

    "I like the Civil Rights Act in a sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains," Paul said in an interview with MSNBC's Rachel Maddow. "I abhor racism. I think it's a bad business decision to ever exclude anybody from your restaurant. But at the same time, I do believe in private ownership. There's 10 different titles, you know, to the Civil Rights Act. One deals with private institutions, and had I been around, I would have tried to modify that."

    ...On ABC's This Week, Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele -- his party's first African-American chairman -- made a point of arguing that his party had been on the forefront of civil rights when the landmark act Rand was referring to was passed in 1964, as well as the Voting Rights Act that passed the following year.

    "Our party has always had a strong view on this issue," Steele told ABC's Jake Tapper. "We fought very hard in the '60s to get the civil rights bill passed as well as the voting rights bill."

    We decided to see whether Steele was correct.

    The Civil Rights Act -- which is best known for barring discrimination in public accommodations -- passed the House on Feb. 10, 1964 by a margin of 290-130. When broken down by party, 61 percent of Democratic lawmakers voted for the bill (152 yeas and 96 nays), and a full 80 percent of the Republican caucus supported it (138 yeas and 34 nays).

    When the Senate passed the measure on June 19, 1964, -- nine days after supporters mustered enough votes to end the longest filibuster in Senate history -- the margin was 73-27. Better than two-thirds of Senate Democrats supported the measure on final passage (46 yeas, 21 nays), but an even stronger 82 percent of Republicans supported it (27 yeas, 6 nays).

    ...When the Voting Rights Act hit the floor in 1965, the vote results mirrored those of the Civil Rights Act. In the House, the measure passed by a 333-85 margin, with 78 percent of Democrats backing it (221 yeas and 61 nays) and 82 percent of Republicans backing it (112 yeas to 24 nays).

    In the Senate, the measure passed by a 77-19 vote, with 73 percent of Democrats and 94 percent of Republicans supporting the bill.

    ...To be sure, Republican support was not unanimous. Most notably, the party's 1964 presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, voted against the Civil Rights Act and stuck to that position during the campaign (which he lost to Johnson in a landslide). And Yale University political scientist David Mayhew notes that the large Republican vote totals for the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act were not replicated in other key civil rights battles, such as an earlier one relating to fair employment practices in 1949 and 1950 and a subsequent one on fair housing in 1966.

    But on the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, the most notable factor affecting how Republicans voted was pragmatism, said Bert Rockman, a political scientist at Purdue University. "The Republicans of that era deserve credit, lots of it, but less in a partisan way than in a now long-lost art form – forging a consensus around critical national problems."

    Back to Steele's quote: "We fought very hard in the '60s to get the civil rights bill passed as well as the voting rights bill."

    The degree of Republican support for the two bills actually exceeded the degree of Democratic support, and it's also fair to say that Republicans took leading roles in both measures, even though they had far fewer seats, and thus less power, at the time. Both of these factors are enough to earn Steele a rating of True.

    Something else is found in that piece, as Rand Paul explains: "There's 10 different titles, you know, to the Civil Rights Act. One deals with private institutions, and had I been around, I would have tried to modify that." That was Goldwater's objection to the act, that because of that title, the act was unconstitutional. Other southern Republicans followed his lead. It had nothing to do with racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffishragabash View Post
    Seems to be the norm on this website, unfortunately, but hey I hear some people need to do it ---so to prevent from committing suicide.

    anyway, I think it's very obvious that the GOP used to be the party of anti-Racism for Black citizens, up until 1959-'60.

    That is when the most influential man in Black America, Rev. MLKSr., made a deal with JFK to deliver him the Black vote for the 1960 U.S. Presidential election.

    Martin Luther King Sr. successfully delivered on his promise too, and the rest, is comatose Black History.

    MLK, who also was a Republican.



    And let's rememdber it was Johnson who pushed the bill.

    Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

    Lyndon Johnson said the word “$#@!” a lot.

    In Senate cloakrooms and staff meetings, Johnson was practically a connoisseur of the word. According to Johnson biographer Robert Caro, Johnson would calibrate his pronunciations by region, using “nigra” with some southern legislators and “negra” with others. Discussing civil rights legislation with men like Mississippi Democrat James Eastland, who committed most of his life to defending white supremacy, he’d simply call it “the $#@! bill.”

    Then in 1957, Johnson would help get the “$#@! bill” passed, known to most as the Civil Rights Act of 1957. ...

    ...According to Caro, Robert Parker, Johnson’s sometime chauffer, described in his memoir Capitol Hill in Black and White a moment when Johnson asked Parker whether he’d prefer to be referred to by his name rather than “boy,” “$#@!” or “chief.” When Parker said he would, Johnson grew angry and said, “As long as you are black, and you’re gonna be black till the day you die, no one’s gonna call you by your goddamn name. So no matter what you are called, $#@!, you just let it roll off your back like water, and you’ll make it. Just pretend you’re a goddamn piece of furniture.”...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffishragabash View Post
    ...

    This ain't completely accurately, but it's the closest we'll ever get to the truth of why Blacks quit voting GOP

    Just as not all Republicans were anti-racists, not all Democrats were racists.

    That doesn't change history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    And Democrats resisted and filibustered it. That is consistent with Democrats' long history of racism.

    You are really clueless about race relations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    MLK, who also was a Republican.



    And let's rememdber it was Johnson who pushed the bill.

    Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

    The entire theme of this thread is kind of pathetic to be honest with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark III View Post
    The entire theme of this thread is kind of pathetic to be honest with you.
    Right, and because of that, I'll ask you to either contribute or leave, find a thread that pleases you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark III View Post
    You are really clueless about race relations.
    Well, here's your chance to shine and tell use how Republicans have historically been racists and not Democrats. Contribute or find a thread you can say nothing in.
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    Michael Steele thinks Donald Trump is a racist.
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