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    Angry No justice out west for Native American voters.

    North Dakota does not want Native Americans to vote in this election, as they've demanded that reservation voters provide street addresses in order to vote, which many reservation Indians can't provide because they don't have house numbers or live on named streets, and the state government has said that PO Boxes aren't good enough because, you know, there could be a lot of voter fraud and $#@!.

    Of course everyone knows that's a load of bull$#@!, but there it is.

    North Dakota is home to one of the most important Senate races of 2018, and less than three weeks before Election Day, it’s embroiled in a fierce battle over who will be able to participate.

    On Oct. 9, the Supreme Court allowed a new state voter identification requirement to take effect, meaning North Dakotans will be voting under different rules than in the primaries just a few months ago. The change disproportionately affects Native Americans, and tribal leaders and advocacy groups have spent the past week and a half scrambling. In a recent letter to the North Dakota secretary of state, one group called the state’s current process unworkable and proposed a solution, but the secretary of state would not endorse it.

    It is an extraordinary situation: the electoral process thrown into chaos at the last minute in a state that will help decide which party controls the Senate. Here’s a look at where things stand.
    Why is everyone talking about this?

    The stakes couldn’t be much higher. Senator Heidi Heitkamp, a Democrat, is in an extremely tough re-election race in a state that President Trump won by 36 percentage points. If she loses, Democrats’ chances of taking the Senate, already pretty small, become minuscule. She’s behind in the polls, and if turnout is low among Native Americans — who helped elect her in 2012 — it will be all but impossible for her to come back.

    That’s where the new law comes in. Under the requirement the Supreme Court just allowed to take effect, North Dakotans can’t vote unless they have identification that shows their name, birth date and residential address. Many people on Native American reservations don’t have residential addresses; they use P.O. boxes, and that’s not enough at the polls anymore.

    Native Americans are about 5 percent of North Dakota’s 750,000 residents, and according to the Native American Rights Fund, they’re more than twice as likely as other voters to lack a form of identification acceptable under the new law. The district court that ruled earlier this year found that about 5,000 Native American voters did not have the necessary identification, and that about 2,300 of that number also lacked supplemental documentation.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/u...istration.html
    Two options for the Native Americans:

    -- use GPS coordinates for addresses (GPS coordinates are irrefutable).
    -- use the tribal headquarters for their address.

    This issue could get Heitkamp reelected if Dakotans have any sense of justice since Republicans clearly deserve opposition.

    This is old fashioned Republican politics by North Dakota that's totally contrived to benefit those in office, with the 8th Court taking that side, instantly agreeing with the contrived politics of those in office.


    ND secretary of state Al ("The Peaceful Cowboy"?) Jaeger. The 8th Court took his side in upholding his edict that reservation Indians have no residence if they have no street address. Absurd or what?
    Last edited by Lummy; 10-26-2018 at 06:53 PM.

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    Silly post. They share one address like they share one landline. It ain’t rocket science.

    Are you saying reservations have no streets or addresses?
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Silly post. They share one address like they share one landline. It ain’t rocket science.

    Are you saying reservations have no streets or addresses?
    Streets are apparently typically unnamed.

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    What is silly is Jaeger's BS position, justified to prevent the kind of voter fraud like you find in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore and other diversified cities. Except no one has ever had a problem with how the Indians live until the new, stricter voter registration law came about.

    Because diversity and $#@! back east. Jaeger is way out of bounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Silly post. They share one address like they share one landline. It ain’t rocket science.
    Perhaps they could use their telephone numbers for their addresses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    Streets are apparently typically unnamed.
    So no mail ever reaches reservations eh? There are streets. Some may live in trailers without a street but if you knew anything about native Americans they share.
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    Perhaps they could use their telephone numbers for their addresses?
    If they had one. They may share a landline. Anyone with a landline has an address.
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    So no mail ever reaches reservations eh? There are streets. Some may live in trailers without a street but if you knew anything about native Americans they share.
    They have PO Boxes, but Jaeger has ruled that that's not good enough and the 8th court has agreed.

    Landline phone numbers can't move, right? So maybe that would work as proof of address. Jaeger is about as clever as an old steer. What he has done is the equivalent of an 8 year old kid roughing people up ... because he's the bully on the block.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    If they had one. They may share a landline. Anyone with a landline has an address.
    Yeah, I suppose. Most of them probably don't have a landline.

    If they heat with gas or electric, those power companies must have some residential reference.

    They might not have power, don't know.

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    Jaeger exemplifies what people don't like about government, about the GOP or about whites, and that would include a lot of whites.

    Sure didn't take long for SHTF. Almost like it was planned back when the new voter ID legislation was drafted.

    It has just been in the last month or so that the 8th court upheld Jaeger's position, so the timing is suspect too.
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