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    How Americans Lost Their National Identity

    Not sure America ever had an identity, not like nations in Europe, but this says some interesting things for discussion.

    "Yoram Hazony is an Israeli philosopher, Bible scholar and political theorist.... Hazony is an outspoken nationalist, and wrote that nationalism uniquely provides, 'the collective right of a free people to rule themselves.'"

    How Americans Lost Their National Identity

    Today, we hear the sloppy, misconceived term “white nationalism” more often than we hear about American nationalism. And whenever the term nationalism is raised, it is often quickly conflated with racism. For instance, at an Oct. 23 rally, President Donald Trump declared that he was a nationalist. He used the term in contrast with globalist, who he called “a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly not caring about our country so much.” Many commentators quickly deplored the President’s statement as a dog-whistle admission that he truly supports “white nationalism,” once again suppressing legitimate debate over the value of American nationalism, while insisting that racialist “white nationalism” is what we really should be talking about.

    This is a problem. Because it’s American nationalism that the U.S. needs right now. Never in our lifetimes have we seen America’s various tribes so divided, so intolerant of one another, so quick to delegitimize and even threaten violence. The mutual loyalty that has bound Americans together as a nation seems like it is disappearing. The bitter argument over ongoing large-scale immigration is only a proxy for this deeper issue: Can Americans ever unite again around a shared national story? Can they ever see themselves as brothers again?

    “White nationalism” is used to describe the small fringe of Americans who believe nationality is defined by the color of one’s skin. These groups promote the kind of loosely Darwinian thinking that motivated German Nazism: What’s decisive, they say, is the “quality” of one’s genes. So people should obsess about skin color and the shape of one’s facial features — traits that supposedly tell you who’s got the right genetic make-up.

    Most Americans find these attempts to reduce nationality to race repugnant. This is because race politics brought about the murder of millions in Europe, while in America it produced slavery, civil war and a legacy of domestic unease — and occasional violence — that hasn’t died down to this day.

    But “white nationalism” is also misconceived because “whites” are not a nation: We’re familiar with the English, Dutch, French and Polish nations. They’re recognized by a common cultural inheritance, especially a distinctive language and religion, and by the bonds of mutual loyalty that come of centuries of joint struggle. The Polish nation, for example, is known by its Polish language, Catholicism and a long, painful history of striving for independence from Germany and Russia. By contrast, no “white” nation is found in any history book. There is no distinctive “white” language, religion or cultural inheritance. The idea that “whites” are a nation is just so much make-believe. Instead of deepening Americans’ pride in, and attachment to, the remarkable Anglo-American political and religious traditions that brought the United States into being, “white nationalists” conduct their parades under bizarre new flags they have invented for themselves: They prefer to replace the authentic American nationalist tradition with a concocted new racial identity that is just as much a break with the American past as the neo-Marxist revolution being proposed by the Left.
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    Obama started this and Obama wanted this
    LETS GO BRANDON
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Obama started this and Obama wanted this
    It goes back further to universities and all but he played it big time and many liberals have ramped it up since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Obama started this and Obama wanted this
    Obama wanted a unified nation, and tried to be POTUS for all of us!
    Unlike Agent Orange, who puts of HATE and DIVISIVENESS!

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    We may not have had an national identity like Europe but we definitely had an national Identity. Just thirty some years after a horrible civil war, Southerners foht with pride under the Stars and Stripes as Americans.



    Obama was a globalist. To accomplish that he needed to destroy Nationalism. He divided us into groups and played one against another. He knew it was necessary to establish us as just another place. The apology tour was the opening salvo.

    He had the goods on Clinton. He would have owned her if she had won. She would have continued the road to globalism until we were too far gone to get back.

    For all the reasons to vote for Trump this should be the biggest. He is a nationalist, first and last. He has already set globalism back so far it may be beaten.
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    Progressives like O'bama want individual identity but don't want others (ie: the confederate flag issue, white heritage) to have their own individual identity. Progressives also don't want a national identity and how a fragmented societal identity is supposed to be healthy is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Not sure America ever had an identity, not like nations in Europe, but this says some interesting things for discussion.

    "Yoram Hazony is an Israeli philosopher, Bible scholar and political theorist.... Hazony is an outspoken nationalist, and wrote that nationalism uniquely provides, 'the collective right of a free people to rule themselves.'"

    How Americans Lost Their National Identity
    Nationalism changed it's face and its entire meaning in the 1930s. Trying to legitimize it is the most dangerous thing that can be done to this country right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Nationalism changed it's face and its entire meaning in the 1930s. Trying to legitimize it is the most dangerous thing that can be done to this country right now.
    It did nothing of the kind but if you want to live in fear of long dead Nazis, dragons and the Bogeyman feel free to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Nationalism changed it's face and its entire meaning in the 1930s. Trying to legitimize it is the most dangerous thing that can be done to this country right now.
    Bull$#@!. Either you're a nationalist or you're a globalist. There's no in between.
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