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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Well our members tend to reflexively agree with everything Trump says, so let's try this new one:
    So what do you think? Should women be imprisoned for coming forward with stories of sexual violence?
    One, prison may be a bridge too far. There are already laws on the books against false informing - but the punishment varies from state to state. That may be encouragement to pass national model law, analogous to how Roe v. Wade was finally addressed by the Supreme Court.

    Yah, allegations require prompt evidence gathering, investigation, forensic examination of any physical evidence, thorough careful interview of the accuser & the accused, & any witnesses - all the usual benchmarks of a good investigation. If the charges can't be sustained, it may simply be for lack of evidence, indeterminate evidence, or too much time has passed & any evidence & memories have dried up. Forensics have gotten better & better, but memories still fade. But yes, if the investigation concludes that the accuser deliberately lied, then charges are in order. But I doubt that the charges will be as severe as those for carrying out criminal sexual assault.

    & it's not merely stories of sexual violence - any assault counts as violence, even if it's just touching without permission.

    Trump wouldn't be my go-to guy on any kind of criminal charge, let alone sexual assault. Didn't he essentially plead guilty on the infamous tape where he's discussing grabbing women by the pubis with relative impunity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Well our members tend to reflexively agree with everything Trump says, so let's try this new one:



    So what do you think? Should women be imprisoned for coming forward with stories of sexual violence?

    Yes
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    There should be some form of punishment/responsibility for making a false claim of assault or rape. An honest case of mistaken identity, maybe not, but a deliberate lie or deliberate manipulation of events for whatever reason, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
    There should be some form of punishment/responsibility for making a false claim of assault or rape. An honest case of mistaken identity, maybe not, but a deliberate lie or deliberate manipulation of events for whatever reason, yes.
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    There's apparently a lot of work yet to be done

    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
    Prison [for false accusation of sexual assault]
    This is one snapshot, from the West Coast, 2003:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...02937803003508

    "Objective: The study was undertaken to better describe the assault characteristics and examination findings in sexual assault victims who pursue legal action. Study Design: A case-control study of consecutive women older than 15 years who came to an urban hospital after sexual assault over a 32-month period was conducted. All the women underwent a standardized history and physical examination by a resident in obstetrics and gynecology. Cases were those in which charges were filed against an assailant by the prosecutors' office. The controls were the women assaulted immediately preceding and after each case. Results: Of the 888 women undergoing evaluation in the emergency department, 132 (15%) had charges filed by the prosecutor. Characteristics positively associated with a legal outcome included being examined within 24 hours after assault, partner/spouse as an assailant, oral assault, and anogenital trauma (P <.05,.01,.05,.05, respectively). Amnesia at the time of assault and/or friend/acquaintance as assailant were negatively associated with a legal outcome (P <.01,.05, respectively). Conclusion: Although only 15% of sexual assault cases were resolved with a legal outcome, the data support the importance of a physical examination within 24 hours of the assault. Anogenital trauma is associated with, but not a prerequisite for, a successful legal outcome. (Am J Obstet Gynecol 2003;188:1638-41.)"

    (My emphasis - underscore)

    I think the number of successful prosecutions in this study is very low. Citizens should be able to feel relatively safe in the US - & these stats indicate that that is not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Well our members tend to reflexively agree with everything Trump says, so let's try this new one:



    So what do you think? Should women be imprisoned for coming forward with stories of sexual violence?
    Any person who conceives in their heart to go, as in an attempt to destroy another person or persons' life by false witness, is guilty of judgement.

    Proverbs 6:16-19: "There are six things which the LORD hates, seven which are an abomination to him; haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and a man who sows discord among the brethren".

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    Polly, why this caveat? "Well our members tend to reflexively agree with everything Trump says, so let's try this new one:"
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our nation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Polly, why this caveat? "Well our members tend to reflexively agree with everything Trump says, so let's try this new one:"
    It's sort of a well-poisoning troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It's sort of a well-poisoning troll.
    Kind of strange that you felt the need to self-identify, but whatever works for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Well our members tend to reflexively agree with everything Trump says, so let's try this new one:



    So what do you think? Should women be imprisoned for coming forward with stories of sexual violence?
    If proven to be false allegations don’t you think their should be some punishment?
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