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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That would take us back to pre-Roe days, with different laws in different states.
    I definitely agree with you on this.

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    Not sure I get any correlation between taxes and abortion.
    Most people who have abortions have them because they don't want children for whatever the reason. Therefore it stands to reason that once they give birth, they'll hand the child over to the state, leaving the state with the responsibility for the child which costs tax dollars. It is estimated that over 600,000 abortions occur each year in the US; if 50% of the states do not allow abortion, that makes around 300,000 more births every year which a vast majority will end up in states care; over ten years we are looking at 3 million children who may be in states custody.

    https://www.cdc.gov/reproductiveheal...s/abortion.htm

    Some people will rationalize and say that the children will be adopted; it's common knowledge that even today adoption agencies are struggling to find people to adopt those children who are in states care; add 300,000 per year and the system will be overloaded. Last year alone saw approximately 59,000 adoptions/foster homes in the US; the remaining children are in custody of the states.

    Given the cost of maintaining the welfare of the child can be staggering, all of which the states will have to be responsible for. In the link provide below, there is a pretty cool chart that gives a breakdown of statistics.


    https://www.acf.hhs.gov/cb/resource/...e-and-adoption
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    I definitely agree with you on this.



    Most people who have abortions have them because they don't want children for whatever the reason. Therefore it stands to reason that once they give birth, they'll hand the child over to the state, leaving the state with the responsibility for the child which costs tax dollars. It is estimated that over 600,000 abortions occur each year in the US; if 50% of the states do not allow abortion, that makes around 300,000 more births every year which a vast majority will end up in states care; over ten years we are looking at 3 million children who may be in states custody.

    https://www.cdc.gov/reproductiveheal...s/abortion.htm

    Some people will rationalize and say that the children will be adopted; it's common knowledge that even today adoption agencies are struggling to find people to adopt those children who are in states care; add 300,000 per year and the system will be overloaded. Last year alone saw approximately 59,000 adoptions/foster homes in the US; the remaining children are in custody of the states.

    Given the cost of maintaining the welfare of the child can be staggering, all of which the states will have to be responsible for. In the link provide below, there is a pretty cool chart that gives a breakdown of statistics.


    https://www.acf.hhs.gov/cb/resource/...e-and-adoption

    Ah, so because the government chooses to relieve the mother and her family the respnsibility and forces society to bear the burden, sure. Another case of government solution creating a problem.

    To the point though, in the case of California, there is a correlation between foster care and state taxes, but in Texas there's not:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Ah, so because the government chooses to relieve the mother and her family the respnsibility and forces society to bear the burden, sure. Another case of government solution creating a problem.

    To the point though, in the case of California, there is a correlation between foster care and state taxes, but in Texas there's not:




    Your point is well taken; I just think there is no easy solution to this either way. Those states with higher tax rates and those with low tax rates could possibly see a spike in taxes (those states who do not allow abortion). On one hand, the elimination of publicly funded abortions will save money only to be spent and/or possibly increased as more children enter the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    Your point is well taken; I just think there is no easy solution to this either way. Those states with higher tax rates and those with low tax rates could possibly see a spike in taxes (those states who do not allow abortion). On one hand, the elimination of publicly funded abortions will save money only to be spent and/or possibly increased as more children enter the system.
    There is no solution when the government assumes for society the responsibility of parenting from those who choose to have sex.
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    It is remarkable how liberals can read the constitution and find where it explains rights which it's text does not, but deny the existence of rights the text clearly states.
    If only our right to keep and bear arms was hidden in a shadow. The Leftists would be in full-throated support.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That would take us back to pre-Roe days, with different laws in different states.

    Not sure I get any correlation between taxes and abortion.
    I'm guessing pro abortion crowd will say that taxes will need to be raised to pay for the support of the hundreds of thousands of unwanted children born to the dependent class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I'm guessing pro abortion crowd will say that taxes will need to be raised to pay for the support of the hundreds of thousands of unwanted children born to the dependent class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    How ever did man get along without the welfare state?
    According to liberals, life was simply a matter of survival of the fittest prior to the development of the dependent class.

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