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    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffishragabash View Post
    The truth and facts are always, logical, especially when they hurt you.
    Again, you are not making a logical statement.

    Also, you are factually incorrect. I am not harmed by silly illogical arguments for reparations in the US for past slavery.

    My family didn't come here until 1892- well after the slaves were free. Also, one can legitimately argue that the welfare state is reparations. I would disagree and argue that the welfare state harmed the black family in America far more than slavery did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffishragabash View Post
    Considering the reality of this infamous link:



    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...aw-enforcement



    it basically previews the increase in Hate Crimes toward Blacks coming to fruition.



    Once a society realizes the police won't even protect a specific group and/or police help to terrorize that group, then it's only logical what's in the OP here will increasingly-become the norm.
    Federal hate crimes laws were created to provide the federal government jurisdiction over state crimes where state prosecutors refused to charge criminal offenses.

    If that is what is going on in cop shootings of citizens, then I agree with the feds stepping in. I think that in some cases local prosecutors are not doing their jobs in these police shootings; I think that in other cases local prosecutors are being over-zealous and prosecute cops without having the predicate "reasonable belief that a crime was committed and the accused did it." For political reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Again, you are not making a logical statement.

    Also, you are factually incorrect. I am not harmed by silly illogical arguments for reparations in the US for past slavery.

    My family didn't come here until 1892- well after the slaves were free. Also, one can legitimately argue that the welfare state is reparations. I would disagree and argue that the welfare state harmed the black family in America far more than slavery did.
    No, one could not legitimately argue that the welfare state is reparations, because since white people receive welfare and they never experienced chattel slavery, then the argument is moot. The second part is too outrageous to argue.
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Blacks commit far more hate crimes per capita but are never charged for hate crimes.
    Probably because the states are prosecuting them for the underlying crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    No, one could not legitimately argue that the welfare state is reparations, because since white people receive welfare and they never experienced chattel slavery, then the argument is moot. The second part is too outrageous to argue.
    I disagree on both counts.

    For the first, the welfare state benefits black America far greater as a proportion of population than other groups. Again, I don't support the conclusion, I am only stating that some people advance it as a check the box for reparations. I reject the notion of reparations for any reason.

    As for the second, the welfare state destroyed the Black American family- slavery tried but did not do such a complete job. In slavery and after, family was one of the most important parts of life in Black America. When welfare was enacted most blacks refused it- out of pride. For whatever reason that changed. And welfare destroyed the black family- as well as other families that took it (we are talking long term- not short term use to get on your feet). The rules are tilted against the nuclear family- they incentivize single mother households and deincentivize the nuclear family. Nobody can tell me that this was not a deliberate attempt to replace the male head of the household with the State. It creates a cycle of poverty that captures future generations. It is pure evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I disagree on both counts.

    For the first, the welfare state benefits black America far greater as a proportion of population than other groups.

    Yes, thanks to the eternal legacy of Slavery...just like Safety alluded to.

    As for the second, the welfare state destroyed the Black American family...
    Yes, and again, thanks to the Legacy of Slavery

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffishragabash View Post
    Yes, thanks to the eternal legacy of Slavery...just like Safety alluded to.



    Yes, and again, thanks to the Legacy of Slavery
    A complete lack of logical argument.

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    As they found, the increase is mostly due to increased reporting. One of the issues in following hate crimes is that most police departments previously did not report them and many still don't.

    So it is not that they are increasing but there is increased reporting.
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