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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    April 9, 1865- The traitor Robert E. Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia to U.S. Grant at Appomattox Court House ending the insurrection popularly known as the War of Southern Aggression.

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nyti...9.html#article
    Well, since Lee and others never pledged themselves unconditionally to the authority of the US government, their decision to secede from the "union" was not an act of treachery in any real sense of the word.

    And to characterize the war between the north and south as "the war of southern aggression" is frankly bizarre, since it was the north that invaded, devastated, and subsequently occupied the south, and not the other way around.

    Furthermore, the mere act of seceding from a political union, which was originally assumed to be voluntary, can never be rightly characterized as an act of aggression, anymore than leaving a church or a club can be.

    Other than that, your post is spot on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    The confederation had no way to pay the Revolutionary war debts. The states refused to pay. States also taxed others heavily for using their canals and ports.
    That simply isn't true. They were paying, just not as expediently as the bankers would have liked.

    Tell me: Do you think the inability of State government to quickly pay off war debts is a valid excuse for radically and comprehensively reforming the political system of a territory as vast and as complex as the US? Is paying debts expediently more important than liberty and local autonomy in your opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    April 9, 1865- The traitor Robert E. Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia to U.S. Grant at Appomattox Court House ending the insurrection popularly known as the War of Southern Aggression.

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nyti...9.html#article

    It was the Civil War. I have never heard of the "Southern Aggression." You don't have to lie to make a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    But the Articles had too many fatal weaknesses IMO.
    I used to think the same thing. But then I read the arguments of men like Patrick Henry and Melancton Smith and became convinced that the case against the Articles was greatly exaggerated by the proponents of a more centralized "union" between the States, whose motivations for scrapping the Articles were primarily personal and financial, as the historian Charles Beard conclusively demonstrated in his work: An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Well, since Lee and others never pledged themselves unconditionally to the authority of the US government, their decision to secede from the "union" was not an act of treachery in any real sense of the word.

    And to characterize the war between the north and south as "the war of southern aggression" is frankly bizarre, since it was the north that invaded, devastated, and subsequently occupied the south, and not the other way around.

    Furthermore, the mere act of seceding from a political union, which was originally assumed to be voluntary, can never be rightly characterized as an act of aggression, anymore than leaving a church or a club can be.

    Other than that, your post is spot on!

    They took up arms against their country. They were traitors. They should have been hanged.

    The United States was putting down a rebellion. You can't invade your own country.

    The Constitution, which the South voluntarily signed onto, does not allow for leaving.

    You post is a lie from the start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I used to think the same thing. But then I read the arguments of men like Patrick Henry and Melancton Smith and became convinced that the case against the Articles was greatly exaggerated by the proponents of a more centralized "union" between the States, whose motivations for scrapping the Articles were primarily personal and financial, as the historian Charles Beard conclusively demonstrated in his work: An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States.
    The Articles would have resulted in subjection to another nation. We would have ended up like the Balkans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    April 9, 1865- The traitor Robert E. Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia to U.S. Grant at Appomattox Court House ending the insurrection popularly known as the War of Southern Aggression.

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nyti...9.html#article
    Here is a good article that covers the correspondence between Lee and Grant leading up to the surrender. Some first hand accounts from the officers present.
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    I'm a couple of days late

    April 19, 1775

    Battles of Lexington and Concord

    The unofficial start of the American revolution!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luther View Post
    I'm a couple of days late

    April 19, 1775

    Battles of Lexington and Concord

    The unofficial start of the American revolution!
    Thanks for posting that. I meant to, but have been busy.
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    Post Chappaquiddick

    July 18, 1969: Mary Jo Kopechne & Sen Kennedy plunge off Chappaquiddick bridge.

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