Are Muscular Women REALLY Men?

[Mister D]

No. She's right about larger women being idealized in history and societies.

So were larger men. We even had dignified terms for them like "portly". They were men who had a right to be fat because they were successful. Moreover, thin builds were traditionally associated with the lower classes, poverty and physical labor. I guess what I'm getting at here is that Polly has a tendency to reduce virtually everything to "sexism" and "stereotypes" even when it's totally inappropriate. Does she think fat guys have it easy? I mean really?

[Mister D]

You're so pathetic. You talk about beauty like it's an objective thing. Beauty is an entirely subjective concept. That's why different societies and cultures have had radically different ideas of what constitutes an appealing male and female body shape over the course of both time and space. This begs the question of WHY the Official You-Are-Ugly Threshold is higher for men than it is for women according to our society's existing beauty standards? Have you ever stopped to ask that question before? As recently as ten years ago, the maximum-muscle-socially-allowed threshold for women that you refer to was lower than it is today; the prevailing definition of external female beauty one saw on magazine covers was literally anorexia. Another ten years from now, it may be higher still. Or it may reverse and go in some other direction.

And "white girl woe"? What does that even mean here? Serena Williams is black (obviously) and the you-are-not-feminine stigma frankly is applied distinctly more often to black women than it is to white women. No seriously, try explaining that one. I'd love to see this.

Lol

It looks like your ridiculous argument has already been demolished so whatever, toots

It means there is an unattractive lesbian whining that men's magazines are oppressing her. #whitegirlproblems

[Mister D]

Personally, I find the typical thread that gets posted here to the Gender, Sexuality, and Race Room far less substantial than the ones I post. For example, skimming the top ones I see there this morning, we have such examples as "A cure for homosexuality" (summary: take Viagra!) and "How to Keep Your Child From Becoming a Snowflake" (summary: kids these days...when I was a youngster, we walked 15 miles to school, uphill both ways!). I feel that my contributions to this forum are of qualitatively greater value and legitimacy than these.

Walls of text are not "substantial" merely because you use a lot words. Well, maybe for Green Arrow. Much of your commentary lacks substance because far too often you either begin with a straw man and/or base your argument on things that aren't true.

[jimmyz]

Well, my example was of "morbid obesity", not just generic "obesity". I doubt there is any culture in the history of the world that would have found a 600 pound person attractive in any way. I mean, are we really going to argue that this...



...is any way "beautiful"? I'm sorry, but it's not, at all. It's repulsive, and there is a good reason for that. Evolution has engineered humans to find healthfulness and youthfulness to be attractive and its opposite disgusting. And no amount of well-intended social engineering is going to get people to find a woman like that attractive or beautiful. It goes against their biological programming.

This gives "going bottomless" a whole new perspective. She should wear something. That poor furniture.

[Mister D]

Beauty is at least partly objective in so far as what human beings find attractive is partly hard coded. Facial symmetry is a good example. Moreover, the idea that human evolution has impacted our aesthetic standards in a variety of ways seems lost on some of you. Well, one of you.

[Cletus]

Personally, I find the typical thread that gets posted here to the Gender, Sexuality, and Race Room far less substantial than the ones I post. For example, skimming the top ones I see there this morning, we have such examples as "A cure for homosexuality" (summary: take Viagra!) and "How to Keep Your Child From Becoming a Snowflake" (summary: kids these days...when I was a youngster, we walked 15 miles to school, uphill both ways!). I feel that my contributions to this forum are of qualitatively greater value and legitimacy than these.

I am sure you do.

What I see are constant attempts to diminish women by portraying them as some kind of victim class, with every man on the planet as victimizers. I personally, don't think your "contributions" amount to a bucket of warm spit.