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Thread: Trump endorses Pelosi for House speaker: ‘Can you believe it?’

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    Quote Originally Posted by impress polly View Post
    lol!!!

    Okay, even i'm amused by this development. Is this a real story? I mean not one of those onion-type gags? I have to ask because i support nancy pelosi for the position of speaker of the house (for now) and i never agree with trump on anything hardly.

    It's not that i'm a pelosi enthusiast, it's that 1) with this election, wherein she (on some level anyway) led the democrats to their biggest single-election net gain in that chamber for democrats since 1974 (the year nixon resigned in disgrace, for perspective), picking up a minimum of 36 additional house seats (with four additional races still to be called, three of which the democratic candidates are currently leading in as of the present vote count), i feel that she has legitimately earned that position back. For two years anyway. While i would like to see a new generation of democratic leadership emerge, she has earned one more term as house speaker with this victory, i feel, and i am satisfied that she has described herself as a "transitional leader", meaning that she'll not likely seek out the speakership again in 2020.

    I've also examined the history and positions of her five challengers and all of them are politically positioned to her right. Each of them can, in fact, be described as distinctly more conservative than the average democrat. Progressives in the house have leveraged their votes strategically for elevation in the ranks and that seems to be satisfying the left with pelosi (for now), in contrast, including me. All of the corresponding left-leaning organizations orbiting the democratic party, ranging from move on to the labor unions, have endorsed her for the position of speaker. I am satisfied that she is the correct choice for the moment. There are many members of the house who i would rather see in that position, but none of them are running or positioned to run at this time. So i'm backing pelosi. I may well regret it, but that's my position as of this moment. I think it's the best of the available options anyway. I'm kind of shocked the trump would agree with me about that, given all the $#@! he just got threw throwing at her especially.
    aoc 2020?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    That makes some sense, I guess, in that conservatives hate her the most.

    (I don't know about "dour" though. She's usually smiling when I see her on TV. Mitch McConnell is dour. Donald Trump is dour. If by dour we mean dull more than we mean miserable, however, then that makes more sense, I suppose.)
    Let me see her smile. I need that nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    He wants her for the optics. How this gets by anyone is beyond me.
    She's dour and entertaining, keeps up the dissension and it's good for his base.
    CLEAR?
    Plus her dementia is terrific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    aoc 2020?
    AOC...?

    I know not this term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    AOC...?

    I know not this term.
    It’s the abbreviation for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    It’s the abbreviation for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s name.
    Ooooh! Dunno why I hadn't thought of that!

    But yeah, sure, why not? Why not shoot for the moon? That would be awesome.

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    Woa, woa.

    Was it indeed Pelosi that led this retake of the House, or was it the more progressive younger and Leftist loonies that deserve the Speakership? Was it the behavior we witnessed during the Kavanaugh hearings, wasn't the impeach Trump crowd who must be give weight?

    Many believed that Hillary 'deserved' the nomination of her Party for Pres in 2016 as well. That is why Bernie was colluded against, that was the entire purpose for Super Delegates, to make sure entitled Clinton became the nominee, a strategy that failed to the 10th power.

    Y'all sure Polly's take on this is the proper route and what would be the proof this was a colossal mistake? What say Trump is elected in 2020 and the House turns back Repub again, Pelosi's negative ratings part of the reason, will pretending Pelosi is responsible for this 2018 win be seen as a colossal mistake?

    And who would be accountable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    He wants her for the optics. How this gets by anyone is beyond me.

    She's dour and entertaining, keeps up the dissension and it's good for his base.

    CLEAR?
    Mystery solved, and they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you nosy kids.
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    Ransom wrote:
    Was it indeed Pelosi that led this retake of the House, or was it the more progressive younger and Leftist loonies that deserve the Speakership? Was it the behavior we witnessed during the Kavanaugh hearings, wasn't the impeach Trump crowd who must be give weight?
    The comparison I would draw for this (2018) election is the French elections of last year. The victory of Macron's party in France too was based so much in a kind of populism of the professional class. Like where Hillary Clinton had campaigned on her experience in Washington (which people tend to basically take as a gauge of one's corruption often), the candidates this year, like last year in Macron's new party in France, were mostly non-politicians and not millionaires either. Dominantly it was just like teachers, nurses, pilots, flight attendants, local TV reporters, former soldiers, doctors, scientists, that sort of thing. Just like average people who are well-off enough to maybe barely be able to afford to run, and they were able to raise enough money to campaign seriously and win, often without help from the Democratic National Committee. The similarities were almost uncanny in both the composition of the candidates (and the corresponding mass movement, known collectively as the resistance) and also in results. In this sense, I think you're right: that no section of the Democratic Party establishment can truly be credited with this victory as much as just like ordinary professional class people can. The thing of it is though that we don't see a candidate that corresponds to that movement (the resistance) vying for the Speakership at this time. I would assess that Pelosi is the most deserving actual candidate.

    As to whether the suburban-based resistance movement and the campus-based progressive movement are fully synonymous...well we will soon discover what their actual level of compatibility is when the Democrats are forced to decide on a single candidate for the White House. While these movements are clearly aligned at present against a shared political enemy in the governing Republicans, I tend to think there are differences that may become clearer and more sharply posed in the upcoming presidential nomination race.

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    Pelosi and Maxine are the best thing that happened to the GOP to keep their base fired up

    Plus he would rather have a stumbling bumbling Pelosi than a younger far left nutcase like Kamala Harris
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