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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    There is noting in that text that says anything about liberalism.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Interesting stuff. It's also fair to note that Hitler was small potatoes at this stage (1927) and Mussolini was a leading figure.

    What really struck me was how closely Mises' remarks resemble those of Polyani. Both are mistaken but I thought it was interesting that such different men could have the same interpretation. As this point I think I will have to revise my position on the left and fascism. The association of fascism with capitalism and liberalism was not unique to the radical left.
    No, it is the common except for revisionist closer to the fascism. Fascism has been used by the capitalism as a form of keep its power.

    For example, fascism gave a lot of power to the corporation. Today, there are new fascist parties, that differ from the traditional in the way that they are economically liberals but keep the rest of traditional fascist ideas.

    It is basically my opinion based on one of the new forces in the right in Spain
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    No, it is the common except for revisionist closer to the fascism. Fascism has been used by the capitalism as a form of keep its power.

    For example, fascism gave a lot of power to the corporation. Today, there are new fascist parties, that differ from the traditional in the way that they are economically liberals but keep the rest of traditional fascist ideas.

    It is basically my opinion based on one of the new forces in the right in Spain
    Fascism has been used by the capitalism as a form of keep its power.
    Fascists were anticapitalists. Speaking of, er, historical revision.

    fascism gave a lot of power to the corporation
    Yes, indeed, corporations meaning different guilds and trades and so on. Not today's meaning for corporation. Speaking of, er, historical revision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Fascists were anticapitalists. Speaking of, er, historical revision.



    Yes, indeed, corporations meaning different guilds and trades and so on. Not today's meaning for corporation. Speaking of, er, historical revision.
    Historical revision, the yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    Historical revision, the yours.
    OK, revise Mussolini, from Benito Mussolini citations

    „For this I have been and am a socialist“

    — Benito Mussolini Context: For this I have been and am a socialist. The accusation of inconsistency has no foundation. My conduct has always been straight in the sense of looking at the substance of things and not to the form. I adapted socialisticamente to reality. As the evolution of society belied many of the prophecies of Marx, the true socialism folded from possible to probable. The only feasible socialism socialisticamente is corporatism, confluence, balance and justice interests compared to the collective interest. As quoted in “Soliloquy for ‘freedom’ Trimellone island”, on the Italian Island of Trimelone, journalist Ivanoe Fossani, one of the last interviews of Mussolini, March 20, 1945, from Opera omnia, vol. 32. Interview is also known as "Testament of Benito Mussolini, or Testamento di Benito Mussolini. Also published under “Mussolini confessed to the stars”, Publishing House Latinitas, Rome, 1952. (Intervista di Ivanoe Fossani, Soliloquio in “libertà” all'isola Trimellone, Isola del Trimellone, 20 marzo 1945) 0

    „Fascism entirely agrees with Mr. Maynard Keynes“

    — Benito Mussolini Context: Fascism entirely agrees with Mr. Maynard Keynes, despite the latter's prominent position as a Liberal. In fact, Mr. Keynes' excellent little book, The End of Laissez-Faire (1926) might, so far as it goes, serve as a useful introduction to fascist economics. There is scarcely anything to object to in it and there is much to applaud. As quoted from Mussolini's review of Keynes' new book in Universal Aspects of Fascism, James Strachey Barnes, Williams and Norgate, London: UK, (1928) pp. 113-114 0

    „As the past century was the century of capitalist power, the twentieth century is the century of power and glory of labour.“

    — Benito Mussolini Context: Fascism establishes the real equality of individuals before the nation… the object of the regime in the economic field is to ensure higher social justice for the whole of the Italian people… What does social justice mean? It means work guaranteed, fair wages, decent homes, it means the possibility of continuous evolution and improvement. Nor is this enough. It means that the workers must enter more and more intimately into the productive process and share its necessary discipline… As the past century was the century of capitalist power, the twentieth century is the century of power and glory of labour. Four Speeches on the Corporate State, Rome, (1935) pp. 39-40. Speech delivered to the workers in Milan. Eric Jabbari, Pierre Laroque and the Welfare State in Postwar France, Oxford University Press, (2012) p. 46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    OK, revise Mussolini, from Benito Mussolini citations
    And this one:

    “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” Benito Mussolini
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    If I own a factory producing whirligigs but the government tells me how many whirligigs I am allowed to make, what materials I must use, how many people I must hire, how much I am to pay them and what I can charge for each whirligig am I a capitalist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Finally found the thread again:

    Your source article was written by a liberal, but there is nothing in your source post that links fascism to liberalism. In fact, on the previous page of the book, the author describes how fascist imprisoned socialists etc.

    So you're certainly trying to jam the square peg into the round hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Finally found the thread again:

    Your source article was written by a liberal, but there is nothing in your source post that links fascism to liberalism. In fact, on the previous page of the book, the author describes how fascist imprisoned socialists etc.

    So you're certainly trying to jam the square peg into the round hole.
    Yes, you did. Lol

    Are you senile?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Yes, you did. Lol

    Are you senile?
    So, as I said, your post was silly.

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