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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I understand where you're coming from but to describe any and all cooperative enterprises as "socialism" isn't helpful. If we aren't talking about state ownership of the means of production we're simply not talking socialism. We all live in market economies. The existence of the US Postal Service and various state insurance programs does not change that fact.

    At the end of the day if we accept this definition of socialism who isn't a socialist?
    Thank you for making an effort to understand me, and I also understand where you are coming from, but the word socialism doesn't mean only one thing in all societies.

    This example from the Cambridge English Dictionary may help -

    socialism noun
    uk ​ /ˈsəʊ.ʃəl.ɪ.zəm/ us ​ /ˈsoʊ.ʃəl.ɪ.zəm/

    the set of beliefs that states that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money, or the political systems based on these beliefs

    socialism noun
    us ​ /ˈsoʊ·ʃəˌlɪz·əm/

    any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...lish/socialism

    You are an American, and it is understandable that you are familiar with the American definition. But the word socialism does mean other things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    @William, it is very simple. Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production and distribution. As such, on any scale beyond a small cooperative of a few people, attempting to make decisions and settle disputes by democratic means would lead to chaos or stagnation, it thus requires dictators--a dictatorship of the proletariat Marx said. We all know what a dictatorship is, if an individual steps out of line, he's crushed, violently, like a $#@!roach.

    While dictators might select some form of capitalism, socialism selects dictators.

    Socialism is not merely cooperation. Man is a social/political being, it's in his nature to cooperate. Even competition requires cooperation. The free market is voluntary cooperation. How can there be free markets under dictators?
    See my reply to Mr D - what the word socialism means to most Americans, is not its only meaning to the rest of the world.
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    ....Venezuela.............socialism does lead to violence. Either by those who are ruled by it, or through government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    See my reply to Mr D - what the word socialism means to most Americans, is not its only meaning to the rest of the world.
    Your Cambridge English Dictionary definitions say exactly what I said, "Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production and distribution." Violence is a consequence of that as I briefly explain theoretically and as history attests empirtically.

    Socialism is not merely cooperation. We're cooperating here in a dialog. We're engaging in cooperation, not socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Say socialism and the righties pant and breath deeply, their emotional state is akin to a panic attack, say socialism isn't what they think it is and anxiety takes over, their hearts beat fast and their minds race. It is a funny sight to see. Years of training make words so powerful, like your old dog when he hears his food dish fill. Too funny.

    Please righties no need to overdose on xanax, true socialism will never happen and the bad things you associate with it are not socialism. Dog whistles memes are only meant to keep you occupied and frightened.

    S is "a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."


    I don't know it is just that Socialism has killed over 100 million people in the past century. Other than that I am sure it is fine.
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