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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Your side relies almost exclusively on tax dollars to fund their research. How convenient, then, that your "solution" to the problem of global warming is to raise taxes on everyone in the western world.
    I don't know about you, but I'm mildly suspicious of those who say the way to halt global warming is to raise taxes on all Americans.

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    Alarmist climate change is just a redistribution scheme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Alarmist climate change is just a redistribution scheme.
    Of course it is. Even many of those who claim to believe in the hoax know that. They just know that they can’t admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    You don't know logic, mamooth, so stop pretending. No one said anything about bribes.
    But I did, you failed extra hard at logic there.

    When people are paid to lie, that's a bribe.

    Your side is paid to lie. Ours isn't.

    Try reading Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions on how ideas in science get stuck because of funding.
    Try sticking with the topic. Your side takes bribes, our doesn't.

    Your side? You don't have a side, you're just trolling.
    Each time you can't respond to me intelligently, you call me a troll as a way of evading. What, you thought it's not obvious? It's how you admit defeat. At least I take it that way. Better luck next time.


    Alarmist climate change is just a redistribution scheme.

    As one of my ongoing points is that deniers are just conspiracy cultists who care nothing about the actual science, I thank you for helping me prove it. You deny the science because your political/religious cult tells you to, period. If they told you to reverse positions, you'd do so instantly, and then you'd declare you'd always been at war with EastAsia.
    Last edited by mamooth; 12-14-2018 at 10:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    There have been all sorts of predictions and all sorts of models. So, what, exactly, are you referring to?
    What would you like? For example, Hansen's 1988 models were very good. The model ensemble cited by the IPCC was very good.

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-observations/



    Are you referring to "the models" that failed to predict the recent pause in global warming?
    There was no pause, just a slight slowdown in the rate of warming.



    Or are you referring to models like Michael Mann's "hockey stick", which was shown to be a total fraud?
    Flat-earthers may sincerely believe their stories as well, but it doesn't affect reality.

    You don't "prove" a hypothesis in science. And there have been many explanations offered involving natural cycles.
    Since those theories are contradicted by the observed data, they're wrong.
    Fact: You don't "prove" hypotheses, so your claim that the "human origin of current global warming" was proved is scientifically baseless.
    Well, since we can't prove the hypothesis of gravity, I guess there's no point in ever launching another rocket. See the problem with your standard there? At a certain point, the preponderance of evidence is good enough to act, regardless of whether absolute proof has been obtained.
    Fact: Models can be useful, but they are not evidence. And a model is only as good as its inputs. Otherwise, garbage in, garbage out.
    Good thing then that all the direct evidence points to the human origin of global warming. Like I said, the success of the models is just icing on the cake.
    Fact: Many scientists have offered up explanations involving natural cycles.
    So which ones explain the cooling stratosphere, the increase in backradiation, and the decrease in outgoing longwave radiation in the greenhouse absorption bands?

    Which ones have made successful predictions? You know, like AGW theory has done for 40 years running now. That's why AGW theory has scientific credibility, because it's been making testable predictions that have come true. You know, science.

    If you want credibility, your side has to come up with a better theory., one that isn't contradicted by the observed data. They haven't done so. That's your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I just saw a little news blurb that said it was ten years ago today that Al Gore said that the Nothern polar ice cap would be completely gone in five years.
    Bzzzt! Gore Rule invoked. Whoever brings up Gore first forfeits the thread for their side.

    Those who can discuss the science, do.

    Those who can't, they deflect by demonizing politicians.

    Thanks for playing, and we have some lovely parting gifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    So by your logic, anything the Trump admin publishes is fake, because it was paid for by the government.

    But then, it's expected that you fail at logic, because people who can reason properly don't get sucked into your political/religious cult in the first place.

    Again, all the bribe money goes to your side, so your side has no cred. Our side rejects the bribe money, giving us more cred.
    Wow, did you go to school and take classes in being an arrogant mother $#@!er or are you just a natural?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    But I did, you failed extra hard at logic there.

    When people are paid to lie, that's a bribe.

    Your side is paid to lie. Ours isn't.



    Try sticking with the topic. Your side takes bribes, our doesn't.



    Each time you can't respond to me intelligently, you call me a troll as a way of evading. What, you thought it's not obvious? It's how you admit defeat. At least I take it that way. Better luck next time.





    As one of my ongoing points is that deniers are just conspiracy cultists who care nothing about the actual science, I thank you for helping me prove it. You deny the science because your political/religious cult tells you to, period. If they told you to reverse positions, you'd do so instantly, and then you'd declare you'd always been at war with EastAsia.
    Settlement agreements of civil matters are not considered to be bribery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    But I did, you failed extra hard at logic there.

    When people are paid to lie, that's a bribe.

    Your side is paid to lie. Ours isn't.



    Try sticking with the topic. Your side takes bribes, our doesn't.



    Each time you can't respond to me intelligently, you call me a troll as a way of evading. What, you thought it's not obvious? It's how you admit defeat. At least I take it that way. Better luck next time.





    As one of my ongoing points is that deniers are just conspiracy cultists who care nothing about the actual science, I thank you for helping me prove it. You deny the science because your political/religious cult tells you to, period. If they told you to reverse positions, you'd do so instantly, and then you'd declare you'd always been at war with EastAsia.

    Say something intelligent and I'll respond in kind. For example, I keep saying in these threads I think climate change is accelerated and amplified by man and that something needs to be done but ask what should be the focus, prevention or adaptation, and who should lead th way, politicians or business. You keep calling me a denier. That's not only illogical but plain stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    Wow, did you go to school and take classes in being an arrogant mother $#@!er or are you just a natural?
    He's a troll just making things up as he goes. Consider "Bzzzt! Gore Rule invoked. Whoever brings up Gore first forfeits the thread for their side."
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