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    Another government report is dead wrong on fragile state of our planet

    Then again, they could be right this time, but the boy cried wolf.

    Another government report is dead wrong on fragile state of our planet

    ...The media has broadcast far and wide the latest primal scream by the federal government and hundreds of scientists that all life on earth by the end of the century could be severely threatened due to climate change....

    ...How could a government report prepared by hundreds of scientists and with the official imprimatur of the federal government be wrong? The obvious answer is that they have been consistently wrong for decades in predictions of environmental devastation. Anyone over the age of 50 knows that we have heard these sensational, false malthusian forecasts from the federal government, and that reality has contradicted them in almost every instance. Look at history and consider the track record.

    In the 1960s, the world became captivated by the likes of media darling and Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich, who warned of a population bomb as humans propagated like field mice....

    In the 1970s, the infamous Club of Rome report on “limits to growth” in the world, which was sponsored and funded by the federal government, saw the planet not surviving much past the year 2000 due to poverty, pollution, starvation, overcrowding, climate change, and natural resource depletion. It was all so horrifying that people across the country started wearing lapel pins that said, “Stop the planet, I want to get off.”

    In the 1980s, the Carter administration spent millions of dollars on the most comprehensive environmental report ever undertaken by the federal government, employing hundreds of top scientists from more than two dozen agencies. (Sound familiar?) The end product dismally concluded, “If present trends continue, the world in 2000 will be more crowded, more polluted, less stable ecologically, and more vulnerable to disruption than the world we live in now...."....

    When skeptics raised the red flag on these forecasts, they were accused of questioning the “settled” science of the day....

    In every one of these cases, the media uncritically splashed these spooky government forecasts on front pages of nearly every newspaper and on nightly broadcasts of every network across the globe. Environmental groups raised billions of dollars to amplify and combat these crises....

    After every false prediction of doom, the left jumps seamlessly onto the next scare tactic. Think about the progression of false fears over the last several decades. It started with overpopulation, then DDT killing all the birds, then nuclear winter, then mass famine, then toxic air pollution levels that would require humans to wear gas masks, then low sperm counts, then peak oil, then a modern ice age, then earth running out of clean water, then species extinction, then loss of farmland, and on and on....

    ...Scientists should have the wisdom and the modesty to admit that we have no idea what will happen to our planet as climate change continues over the next century. There are too many variables to hazard a decent guess. But the one indomitable lesson of history is that giving the government more power is the most dangerous threat to the future of our planet.
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    They get it wrong because they politicize science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    They get it wrong because they politicize science.
    They do that because it works. It works even though most know that science has been compromised by politics.

    Science is now a form of confirmation bias.
    Last edited by Tahuyaman; 11-28-2018 at 02:54 PM.

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    It works because it pays. Much climatology research is funded by government grants. Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, talks about how protective status quos form out of the need for funding and how hard it is to buck that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It works because it pays. Much climatology research is funded by government grants. Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, talks about how protective status quos form out of the need for funding and how hard it is to buck that.
    When someone depends upon a government grant, they tend to come up with the results which helps to keep that grant money flowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    When someone depends upon a government grant, they tend to come up with the results which helps to keep that grant money flowing.
    Yea, I don't think it's malicious, but a bias seems to develop. You could likely make more find different results and developing new theories but the risk would be higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It works because it pays. Much climatology research is funded by government grants. Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, talks about how protective status quos form out of the need for funding and how hard it is to buck that.
    Sucks to be you. All the hard data contradicts your political/religious cult, so conspiracy theories are all you have left. Your OP was just a hysterical conspiracy rant.

    Follow the money.

    All the bribe money goes to your side. That's why your side has zero credibility. Your side gets payed well to fake data and commit fraud.

    The reverse goes for the ethical people. Climate scientists could get very wealthy if they chose abandon ethics and lie for your political cult. They don't. They refuse your bribes. They won't lie for money, which gives them even more credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Sucks to be you. All the hard data contradicts your political/religious cult, so conspiracy theories are all you have left. Your OP was just a hysterical conspiracy rant.

    Follow the money.

    All the bribe money goes to your side. That's why your side has zero credibility. Your side gets payed well to fake data and commit fraud.

    The reverse goes for the ethical people. Climate scientists could get very wealthy if they chose abandon ethics and lie for your political cult. They don't. They refuse your bribes. They won't lie for money, which gives them even more credibility.
    What "hard data"? You mean the fancy computer simulations that purport to predict the future of the climate? I got news for you: Climate models are not evidence. They're just glorified guesswork. And their guesses are full of uncertainty. If anything, the cult members are the people who strongly adhere to a hypothesis that hasn't been demonstrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What "hard data"? You mean the fancy computer simulations that purport to predict the future of the climate?
    The models are excellent. If your political/religious cult told you otherwise, then they lied to you. The long term predictions were for 0.20C/decade warming, and we've seen 0.19C/decade warming.

    However, the success of the models is just icing on the cake. The directly measured hard data proves the human origin of the current global warming. We directly measure the stratospheric cooling, the increase in backradiation, and the decrease in outgoing longwave radiation in the greenhouse gas bands. There is no natural explanation for those measurements, so all "It's part of a natural cycle!" theories are wrong.

    At this stage, the best you can do is "Well, humans are causing it, but not that much!". After that defensive position crumbles, you can fall back to "Well, humans are causing a lot of warming, but it's beneficial", and then finally to "Well, we're causing it, and it's bad, but oh well there's nothing we can do about it now, and that's your fault because you forced us to oppose you by being so mean."

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    The models are excellent. If your political/religious cult told you otherwise, then they lied to you. The long term predictions were for 0.20C/decade warming, and we've seen 0.19C/decade warming.
    "The models"

    "The predictions"

    There have been all sorts of predictions and all sorts of models. So, what, exactly, are you referring to?

    Are you referring to "the models" that failed to predict the recent pause in global warming? Or are you referring to models like Michael Mann's "hockey stick", which was shown to be a total fraud?

    However, the success of the models is just icing on the cake. The directly measured hard data proves the human origin of the current global warming. We directly measure the stratospheric cooling, the increase in backradiation, and the decrease in outgoing longwave radiation in the greenhouse gas bands. There is no natural explanation for those measurements, so all "It's part of a natural cycle!" theories are wrong.
    You don't "prove" a hypothesis in science. And there have been many explanations offered involving natural cycles.

    At this stage, the best you can do is "Well, humans are causing it, but not that much!". After that defensive position crumbles, you can fall back to "Well, humans are causing a lot of warming, but it's beneficial", and then finally to "Well, we're causing it, and it's bad, but oh well there's nothing we can do about it now, and that's your fault because you forced us to oppose you by being so mean."
    All I have to do is to keep pointing out the facts.

    Fact: You don't "prove" hypotheses, so your claim that the "human origin of current global warming" was proved is scientifically baseless.

    Fact: Models can be useful, but they are not evidence. And a model is only as good as its inputs. Otherwise, garbage in, garbage out.

    Fact: Many scientists have offered up explanations involving natural cycles.

    Fact: Many mainstream climate modelers failed to predict the recent pause in global warming.

    Good luck trying to get around basic facts.
    Last edited by Ethereal; 12-08-2018 at 08:27 PM.
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