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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Hand-wringing over war is also part of the human condition. And I daresay, it's one of the few things about the human condition that isn't shameful. The sad truth is, much of war is needless, cruel, and in the service of a few at the expense of the many. So while I certainly appreciate the historical import of war and its study, I view it as a sordid business that should be strictly minimized whenever possible.
    Without conflict we would likely be pre-industrial revolution. And that would suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Without conflict we would likely be pre-industrial revolution. And that would suck.
    I strongly disagree. Wars divert resources away from other enterprises. The fact that some technological innovations happened in the context of war does not mean that war was the cause of the innovation itself. Unfortunately, it's far easier to see the tangible innovations that emerged in the course of a war than it is to imagine the things that never came into being due to the war's cost and destructiveness. How many future Newtons and Einsteins were killed in war? We will never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I strongly disagree. Wars divert resources away from other enterprises. The fact that some technological innovations happened in the context of war does not mean that war was the cause of the innovation itself. Unfortunately, it's far easier to see the tangible innovations that emerged in the course of a war than it is to imagine the things that never came into being due to the war's cost and destructiveness. How many future Newtons and Einsteins were killed in war? We will never know.
    I guess there is an argument to be made that pacifist pre-humans could have created what we have now. I don't believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I guess there is an argument to be made that pacifist pre-humans could have created what we have now. I don't believe it.

    I'm not a pacifist. Sometimes wars are entirely justifiable. Most of them, however, are not, and are waged with evil intent for the benefit of a few. And I can see nothing good about such wars, even in light of the incidental innovation they often produce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I'm not a pacifist. Sometimes wars are entirely justifiable. Most of them, however, are not, and are waged with evil intent for the benefit of a few.
    OK.

    This thread is about defining moments in history.

    You and I largely agree on staying out of wars that don't matter to us.

    As for the OP- "The Hammer" Martel saved the West. And there is more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    OK.

    This thread is about defining moments in history.

    You and I largely agree on staying out of wars that don't matter to us.

    As for the OP- "The Hammer" Martel saved the West. And there is more.
    I don't know enough about the specifics of those battles to say whether or not they were good wars or bad wars. I agree that they were certainly historically important.

    Personally, I'd include the battles of Lexington and Concord. Given the historical importance of the American revolution, their inclusion seems warranted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    A great man. Too bad his war had no significance on the world stage.
    Well that is, if no one counts the First time Air Cavalry was used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I don't know enough about the specifics of those battles to say whether or not they were good wars or bad wars. I agree that they were certainly historically important.

    Personally, I'd include the battles of Lexington and Concord. Given the historical importance of the American revolution, their inclusion seems warranted.
    Good wars or bad wars has nothing to do with World defining historical battles. Whether they were good or bad. Doesn't change up the fact if they were world defining.

    So philosophy isn't what makes up that reality
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    OK.

    This thread is about defining moments in history.

    You and I largely agree on staying out of wars that don't matter to us.

    As for the OP- "The Hammer" Martel saved the West. And there is more.

    Charles "The Hammer" Martel is a vastly underappreciated figure. He really did save the West from the Muslim Horde!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
    Charles "The Hammer" Martel is a vastly underappreciated figure. He really did save the West from the Muslim Horde!
    The Christians.....thank him very much.
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