B’nei Mitzvah?

[Captdon]

I wouldn't be a Catholic if we allowed it. I don't care what others do. It's stupid though.

[Standing Wolf]

No, of course we can't call a spade a spade and say someone born one gender and thinks they are another gender is anything but a loony toon. This Rabbi is an abomination unto the Lord and will answer for his heresy one day.

The religion which teaches that an eternal, all-powerful creator of the universe is vitally concerned with what a ceremony is called or with who is romantically involved or sexually intimate with whom is simply begging to be mocked or ignored.

Except for those parts relating to The Golden Rule and loving your neighbor, most of the "great religions" seem to consist primarily of rules about one's life choices and assurances that "God" likes and hates the same things you do. Religion is a tool for societal cohesion and social control; its content and practice have changed only incidentally since the days when our pre-human ancestors thought the thunder and lightning meant something big and dangerous might be mad at them.

If you honestly believe that some omniscient being is waiting to judge each person according to how closely she or he followed the precepts and rules of some man-made institution based on superstition and ghost stories, the 'delusional nonsense" prize goes to you.

[Captdon]

The religion which teaches that an eternal, all-powerful creator of the universe is vitally concerned with what a ceremony is called or with who is romantically involved or sexually intimate with whom is simply begging to be mocked or ignored.

Except for those parts relating to The Golden Rule and loving your neighbor, most of the "great religions" seem to consist primarily of rules about one's life choices and assurances that "God" likes and hates the same things you do. Religion is a tool for societal cohesion and social control; its content and practice have changed only incidentally since the days when our pre-human ancestors thought the thunder and lightning meant something big and dangerous might be mad at them.

If you honestly believe that some omniscient being is waiting to judge each person according to how closely she or he followed the precepts and rules of some man-made institution based on superstition and ghost stories, the 'delusional nonsense" prize goes to you.

Mock as you will. Atheism doesn't mean anything. If you're right nothing matters. If i'm right you are not going to like the outcome.

It's not the selling point as you might think. It is simply the outcome. It doesn't matter to us what your outcome is.

[Standing Wolf]

...It doesn't matter to us what your outcome is.

I was a practicing Christian - at one time a licensed Southern Baptist preacher, in fact - to know that the fate and disposition of the souls of others is very much a concern of the Church. Someone needs to study their own Faith a bit more avidly.

[Adelaide]

Mock as you will. Atheism doesn't mean anything. If you're right nothing matters. If i'm right you are not going to like the outcome.

It's not the selling point as you might think. It is simply the outcome. It doesn't matter to us what your outcome is.

I am a big believer that everyone who has tried to be good and has had largely good intentions (even with bad outcomes) will likely be treated well when they die regardless of whether they followed religious rules or believed in God. The nice thing about simply thinking that people who try to be good will be rewarded is that I do not feel any animosity or superiority when I think about other religions or agnostics or atheists.

I do start to get offended or reactive when people use their religion to judge other people or in ways that are completely hypocritical and actually in total contradiction to the teachings of whatever their religion is.

[jimmyz]

Societal judgement should end at the doorway to the church, synagogue or mosque. Any tradition offered should be offered without judgement to the faithful.

[Captdon]

I was a practicing Christian - at one time a licensed Southern Baptist preacher, in fact - to know that the fate and disposition of the souls of others is very much a concern of the Church. Someone needs to study their own Faith a bit more avidly.

Someone needs to stop thinking he knows my church better than I do. I take the word of a Baptist about my Church the way I take the word of any atheist.

I have never been taught that the reason to be Catholic is to keep from going to Hell. I'm Catholic to believe that Jesus died on the cross to allow me to have my soul saved. Saved from Hell to be sure, but that's still only an outcome. I rarely heard of Hell in catechism or Nueman Club. <- I don't think it was called that except by us>. It was for h.s .kids.

I don't know what Southern Baptist believe except what my wife tells me.


Let see, I wasn't a priest or a member of the Knights of Columbus. I was an altar boy because I had memorized the Latin mass at age 8. It's been 50+ years and i don't remember all the terms. Buy, I do remember the Latin Mass.

[Mister D]

Someone needs to stop thinking he knows my church better than I do. I take the word of a Baptist about my Church the way I take the word of any atheist.

I have never been taught that the reason to be Catholic is to keep from going to Hell. I'm Catholic to believe that Jesus died on the cross to allow me to have my soul saved. Saved from Hell to be sure, but that's still only an outcome. I rarely heard of Hell in catechism or Nueman Club. <- I don't think it was called that except by us. It was for h.s .kids.

I don't know what Southern Baptist believe except what my wife tells me.


Let see, I wasn't a priest or a member of the Knights of Columbus. I was an altar boy because I had memorized the Latin mass at age 8.

Standing Wolf has the unfortunate habit of criticizing the beliefs of other people while considering a critique of his own off limits.

[Captdon]

I am a big believer that everyone who has tried to be good and has had largely good intentions (even with bad outcomes) will likely be treated well when they die regardless of whether they followed religious rules or believed in God. The nice thing about simply thinking that people who try to be good will be rewarded is that I do not feel any animosity or superiority when I think about other religions or agnostics or atheists.

I do start to get offended or reactive when people use their religion to judge other people or in ways that are completely hypocritical and actually in total contradiction to the teachings of whatever their religion is.

I do disagree with a lot of people by what they believe. Yet, I don't care either. Jesus said to spread the Gospel. Everyone I have ever known knows the gospel. If they choose not to believe it that's on them not on me.

[Tahuyaman]

Miriam said: “I was quite concerned because if something is important in your coming of age, it should reflect who you are in a person and not squeeze you into the traditional two genders that we happen to have just because of history,”

The mother had previously faced fears of acceptance within their Jewish community as a different child had recently come out as gay...

Webber came to the decision to name the gender-neutral ceremony a “B’nei Mitzvah” because “b’nei” is a plural term which could refer to a mixed-gender group of people.

Other options had included “ban”, which combines the Hebrew for boy and girl, as well as “sera”, which means offspring or seed.

This insanity is infecting every element of modern society. They aren't going to be happy until they ruin everything for everyone but them.