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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    "Net neutrality" is just more government control over the internet. It's a terrible idea. The US became the nerve center of the internet in the absence of net neutrality. The problems "net neutrality" purports to solve either don't exist or aren't really problems.
    In the last few years alone, Comcast, AT&T and Verizon, to name just three, have been caught slowing or speeding up service to certain customers, or for access to certain websites or features - and that was with the regulation in place. I think to suggest that this is "more government control over the internet" is misleading. It's a bit like saying that if the residents of a neighborhood decided to set up a toll booth in the middle of the block and charge people money to drive down "their" street, to get the police to put a stop to it would be creating "more government control over our freedom of movement". In some parts of the world, governments require internet service providers to block or disallow access to certain sites and services; allowing the repeal of net neutrality just serves to clear the decks for that to happen here. Considering that the current resident of the White House has gone so far as to suggest criminalizing negative media coverage of himself, I don't consider the potential for State manipulation of the internet to be a far-fetched scenario at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    In the last few years alone, Comcast, AT&T and Verizon, to name just three, have been caught slowing or speeding up service to certain customers, or for access to certain websites or features - and that was with the regulation in place. I think to suggest that this is "more government control over the internet" is misleading. It's a bit like saying that if the residents of a neighborhood decided to set up a toll booth in the middle of the block and charge people money to drive down "their" street, to get the police to put a stop to it would be creating "more government control over our freedom of movement". In some parts of the world, governments require internet service providers to block or disallow access to certain sites and services; allowing the repeal of net neutrality just serves to clear the decks for that to happen here. Considering that the current resident of the White House has gone so far as to suggest criminalizing negative media coverage of himself, I don't consider the potential for State manipulation of the internet to be a far-fetched scenario at all.

    And you were free to change providers. Government protection generally means less competition and less choice.

    Becker et al, "NET NEUTRALITY AND CONSUMER WELFARE" "This paper addresses the competitive concerns motivating net neutrality rules and addresses the potential impact of the proposed rules on consumer welfare. We show that there is significant and growing competition among broadband access providers and that few significant competitive problems have been observed to date. We also evaluate claims by net neutrality proponents that regulation is justified by the existence of externalities between the demand for Internet access and content services. We show that such interrelationships are more complex than claimed by net neutrality proponents and do not provide a compelling rationale for regulation."
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    JAP, you have been mislead sorry, but net neutrality is a competition killer which led to higher costs across the board. It's biggest harm directed at small businesses.
    From 2015:
    The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) admits at least 90 percent of the businesses that will be burdened by the new utility-style network neutrality regulations will be small businesses.

    As required by law, the FCC must estimate the effect the new rules will have on small business. In total, 20,640 companies will be affected, of which 18,532 are considered small businesses by the Small Business Administration.

    The new rules will invariably impose new compliance costs on businesses, which will hit small businesses like rural internet service providers (ISPs) and wireless carriers the hardest.

    This is what happens when the FCC decided to ignore the light touch regulatory approach to the Internet that has garnered decades of bipartisan Congressional support and resulted in vast amounts of innovation and technological advancements along with economic growth in it's sector.
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    These rules were passed in 2015 the FCC rule was that all internet traffic had to be treated the same. Meaning they couldn’t deliberately speed up or slow down traffic from certain web sites or apps, nor could they put their own content at an advantage over rivals. These were protections set in place to protect us, and now they are not there anymore.
    Net neutrality was a protection put in place to keep it from being abused. But when Net neutrality was ended it gave free reign to the mega corps to change our internet experience. In this day and age with corruption out of control, net neutrality is a major thing.
    Besides the mistaken appeal to social justice, there's this from What Socialism Owes Christianity:

    ...arguing that socialism enhances freedom by creating freedom from corporate influence. The higher the taxes and the more collectivist our society, the more freedom we have. “True freedom does not occur without economic security,” contends Bernie Sanders. Or, as Karl Marx wrote in the Communist Manifesto: “In place of the old bourgeois [capitalist] society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.” Freedom comes by limiting free markets and establishing socialism.
    Strip that phony facade away and what you have is a competition killer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Besides the mistaken appeal to social justice, there's this from What Socialism Owes Christianity:



    Strip that phony facade away and what you have is a competition killer.
    Or a monopoly that doesn't have to listen to consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachroidott View Post
    Or a monopoly that doesn't have to listen to consumers.
    There are a great many laws that help curb that
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    [QUOTE=Chris;2473885]And you were free to change providers. Government protection generally means less competition and less choice.
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    To what providers? Some scrappy little upstart with Roark as CEO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    It was actually one of the good things that was passed as a protection to the internet. It is not really government control it is more like saying no one is allowed to abuse it. Ending net neutrality allows mega corps to control our internet speeds and choose what comes up in your searches and even censor the internet. It takes away the freedoms of the fair internet. The corporations will always abuse their powers. Sometimes rules are needed in our favor to keep the corporations and abusers in check. It is just like a rule that says it cant be abused. But without the rule then it is free and open to abuse.
    You were sold a bill of goods with nice sounding words. The net should be innovative just like it has been, not regulated by government.

    Net Neutrality was a fix looking for a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zachroidott View Post
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    To what providers? Some scrappy little upstart with Roark as CEO?
    Yes. Or switch AT&T to Verizon. Or to Spectrum (old TimeWarner Roadrunner). Or a gazillion other providers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachroidott View Post
    Or a monopoly that doesn't have to listen to consumers.
    You mean the government.
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