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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I'm not sure that we can draw empirical conclusions at this point:

    https://www.publicschoolreview.com/b...der-performing
    https://www.manhattan-institute.org/.../R-MW-0218.pdf

    Please read both links.
    Doc both those sites you posted have skin in the game, we wont get a fair assessment from them.

    Where you can get a fair assessment is from teachers and supvs. I have one of each one daughter is a vice principal now and the other a teacher.

    One has 24yrs ther other 20, both are totally disgusted with the rules they are forced to follow and the curriculum. It used to be they made their own lesson plans and just taught them and periodically an assessor would sit in their classroom for a couple of days and assess their demeanor and the content.

    Today lesson plans are handed to them pre written and they are told how much time to take out for non subject related class room instruction which you can guess is a Liberal cluster of PC and other crap.

    They both strongly disagree with what they are forced to do and teach. Both were always very liberal and voted strictly democrat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    Doc both those sites you posted have skin in the game, we wont get a fair assessment from them.

    Where you can get a fair assessment is from teachers and supvs. I have one of each one daughter is a vice principal now and the other a teacher.

    One has 24yrs ther other 20, both are totally disgusted with the rules they are forced to follow and the curriculum. It used to be they made their own lesson plans and just taught them and periodically an assessor would sit in their classroom for a couple of days and assess their demeanor and the content.

    Today lesson plans are handed to them pre written and they are told how much time to take out for non subject related class room instruction which you can guess is a Liberal cluster of PC and other crap.

    They both strongly disagree with what they are forced to do and teach. Both were always very liberal and voted strictly democrat.
    The links I provided are not particularly biased, and they both tend to agree on some points and not on others. Both favor charter schools in some respects but there are caveats. They are worth the read. Let's face it Sowell is a very educated man, but not an educator and not without an agenda. The situation is not as black and white as purported. Not all Charter Schools are created equally.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    The links I provided are not particularly biased, and they both tend to agree on some points and not on others. Both favor charter schools in some respects but there are caveats. They are worth the read. Let's face it Sowell is a very educated man, but not an educator and not without an agenda. The situation is not as black and white as purported. Not all Charter Schools are created equally.
    publicschool revies and manhattan anything youre only going to get a liberal conclusion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    publicschool revies and manhattan anything youre only going to get a liberal conclusion
    Are you afraid to read them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    The links I provided are not particularly biased, and they both tend to agree on some points and not on others. Both favor charter schools in some respects but there are caveats. They are worth the read. Let's face it Sowell is a very educated man, but not an educator and not without an agenda. The situation is not as black and white as purported. Not all Charter Schools are created equally.
    Not all charter schools are going to be successful, but that doesnt change so many failing public schools that we just keep pouring more and more money into

    In New Jersey as explained by my daughters there is no such thing as poor school districts and they still underperform, the reason there is no such thing as a poor school district is this.

    In NJ schools are funded by local propterty taxs, some districts have far more tax income to spend on schools than others. The below law made them all equal MONETARILY budget wise.

    There is no more not enough money excuses in New Jersey and they still have failing schools, liberals want us to believe its school funding, people in teaching knows thats hogwash but they keep that to themselves because their raises in pay and benefits comes from that same cash flow ? Get the picture Doc? they dont complain not to cut off thier nose to spite their face.

    Im sure other areas of the country have money issues but NY, NJ and California do not for 3


    1985:
    The first Abbott v. Burke lawsuit, filed on behalf of 20 inner-city school children, is decided. The court finds urban children receive "inadequate" school funding, and says they must be given an education equal in quality to that in the state’s wealthiest districts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    No. Read the links. They can't be distilled into a paragraph or a single conclusion.
    Then you got nothing but vague gesturing about something over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    The links I provided are not particularly biased, and they both tend to agree on some points and not on others. Both favor charter schools in some respects but there are caveats. They are worth the read. Let's face it Sowell is a very educated man, but not an educator and not without an agenda. The situation is not as black and white as purported. Not all Charter Schools are created equally.
    The fact they're not all the same is part of the point here with local control of standards. As I explained in the previous thread, different schools trying different standards leads to find those that work with certain kids in different situations. Schools can then learn from each other and try standards that worked elsewhere. In time stardards evolve. None of that is possible in a centrally planned, one-size-fits-all federal program. You're just missing the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Then you got nothing but vague gesturing about something over there.
    Don't read them then. I'm not going to distill them for you, but while Charter Schools have much to recommend them, they are not all that they are cracked up to be. They are not equally good and they don't necessarily draw from the same pool of students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Don't read them then. I'm not going to distill them for you, but while Charter Schools have much to recommend them, they are not all that they are cracked up to be. They are not equally good and they don't necessarily draw from the same pool of students.
    I did read them. They don't say what you think. What'd you do just read the titles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Don't read them then. I'm not going to distill them for you, but while Charter Schools have much to recommend them, they are not all that they are cracked up to be. They are not equally good and they don't necessarily draw from the same pool of students.
    The same could be said about Universities many of those are chartered <for Profit> and they are most of the best. Actually they beat state Univs and colleges hands down.
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