This is not a Christian nation.

[MisterVeritis]

TBH, I don't know, and I don't know where to look to find out. But I guess most Romans (Christian or Pagan,) supported the Roman Empire in the same way that Victorian Britons supported the British Empire, or that current Americans support the American Empire. They probably had very little choice, and gave it not much thought.

Yes. We agree.

[Captain Obvious]

So you are admitting that retailers, spending their marketing dollars are doing what they believe will maximize their profits. Isn't that what they should be doing?

Is it the retailer's responsibility to advance Christianity? Or, assuming you are a Christian, is it yours?

So you're cool with retailers making a complete farce, circus, total $#@!ization out of what should be the most important day that you, supposedly a Christian are recognizing?

Another loaded question, you're not a Christian, you're a capitalist lemming. Capitalism is first on your life priority list, Christianity is below it. At least by your thoughts and actions it is.

Muslims have more balls than you do, they put their faith first, $#@!ization of it in this sense is not tolerated.

You're a phony.

[Peter1469]

Was Rome, at any point in its history "Christian"?

I am not sure he is wrong. I do want to explore what he believes about Roman Christians in the last one and a half Roman centuries. Ethereal said something along the lines of no American Christian could support America because...Rome.

Christianity was certainly central to the Eastern Roman Empire.

[Peter1469]

Actually, when you look at it I'm indirectly supporting bringing "Christ" back into Christmas.

By pointing out that society is enabling the $#@!ization of what is the most important holiday in Christianity.

So you can be an enabler or you can embrace reality, your choice.

I choose reality.

We have Black Friday and Cyber Monday now- get the gift giving (extravagant) out of Christmas.

[MisterVeritis]

So you are admitting that retailers, spending their marketing dollars are doing what they believe will maximize their profits. Isn't that what they should be doing?

Is it the retailer's responsibility to advance Christianity? Or, assuming you are a Christian, is it yours?

So you're cool with retailers making a complete farce, circus, total $#@!ization out of what should be the most important day that you, supposedly a Christian are recognizing?

In a free nation, under a capitalist system, retailers will choose what to do with their dollars. And you will choose what to do with yours. If Christians were not so timid perhaps stores would spend more effort to cater to your whims.

Another loaded question, you're not a Christian, you're a capitalist lemming. Capitalism is first on your life priority list, Christianity is below it. At least by your thoughts and actions it is.

You said you had a question. I did not see a question in your rambling prose.

Muslims have more balls than you do, they put their faith first, $#@!ization of it in this sense is not tolerated.
You're a phony.

I am neither Muslim nor Christian. I love liberty. You should decide for you. I should decide for me.

[MisterVeritis]

Christianity was certainly central to the Eastern Roman Empire.

I agree.

[MisterVeritis]

We have Black Friday and Cyber Monday now- get the gift giving (extravagant) out of Christmas.

Because my family is well off we no longer give gifts to each other. We do give to each other's charities instead.

[Captain Obvious]

So you are admitting that retailers, spending their marketing dollars are doing what they believe will maximize their profits. Isn't that what they should be doing?

Is it the retailer's responsibility to advance Christianity? Or, assuming you are a Christian, is it yours?

In a free nation, under a capitalist system, retailers will choose what to do with their dollars. And you will choose what to do with yours. If Christians were not so timid perhaps stores would spend more effort to cater to your whims.

You said you had a question. I did not see a question in your rambling prose.

I am neither Muslim nor Christian. I love liberty. You should decide for you. I should decide for me.

Pretty much my point, you're a capitalist first, Christian somewhere beneath that.

Thanks for validating my thread.

Happy Festivus.

[MisterVeritis]

I am neither Muslim nor Christian. I love liberty. You should decide for you. I should decide for me.

Pretty much my point, you're a capitalist first, Christian somewhere beneath that.
Thanks for validating my thread.
Happy Festivus.

I am not a Christian. You are not an effective Christian.

[Peter1469]

Because my family is well off we no longer give gifts to each other. We do give to each other's charities instead.

I don't really need anything, so I don't want gifts.