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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    It's fairly clear that, constitutionally speaking, those born on U.S. soil are citizens. I'm surprised to see that fact is even being debated.
    The opposite is true. There are two requirements. Birth here is one. Undivided loyalty is the second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    Intent and the way it was written are not the same thing. They should have drafted the document better.
    We should understand it better. It was written well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    Intent and the way it was written are not the same thing. They should have drafted the document better.
    I agree. If the issue gets to SCOTUS they will decide. The only close case had to do with a Chinese child born to two Chinese nationals inside the US legally. The court said that the kid was a US citizen because of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    If those numbers are accurate....it is a pretty stunning statistic.
    It's not that stunning. This is the inevitable result of mostly low skill workers working below minimum wage living in one the expensive countries in the world to live in. If anything, the numbers seem quite low, I'd have guessed closer to 90%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I agree. If the issue gets to SCOTUS they will decide. The only close case had to do with a Chinese child born to two Chinese nationals inside the US legally. The court said that the kid was a US citizen because of that.
    The court changing anything would be overreach. Regardless of intent, the amendment is quite clear. A constitutional amendment is likely needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    The court changing anything would be overreach. Regardless of intent, the amendment is quite clear. A constitutional amendment is likely needed.
    Disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    It's not that stunning. This is the inevitable result of mostly low skill workers working below minimum wage living in one the expensive countries in the world to live in. If anything, the numbers seem quite low, I'd have guessed closer to 90%.
    This is the result of the Democrat's successful plan to push aside the white, middle class by bringing in a million or more poor, dumb, sick black and brown people from third world authoritarian countries each and every year. The Democrats won. They broke the nation. It may already be too late to repair the damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    The court changing anything would be overreach. Regardless of intent, the amendment is quite clear. A constitutional amendment is likely needed.
    Your first and third statements are incorrect.

    The amendment is clear. It is time we followed it as it was written.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    No I didn't, it's a non-starter, no different than the 2nd amendment being for a well regulated militia, and people focus on "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" as a separate idea or thought.
    I thought you were being logical. I see you're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    It's fairly clear that, constitutionally speaking, those born on U.S. soil are citizens. I'm surprised to see that fact is even being debated.
    Born to legal immigrants, yes, of course. Silly to think not.
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