Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

[Chris]

Cool. This vindicates my position. Thank you.

Right, you cannot have "complete allegiance only to the United States" if you're here illegally.

[Captdon]

Unless you are Native American Indian, you immigrated here.

No, I didn't. I was born here. My parents were born here.

[Captdon]

Ok cool, by that same logic, every "immigrant" that is born here, is an American citizen. So, that settles that. Thanks for ending the debate.

Trying to change the subject after that ass wrecking you took.

[Captdon]

Actually no, the real object of the Fourteenth Amendment, "All persons born in the United States" by the addition "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," would appear to have been to exclude, the two classes of cases -- children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State -- both of which, as has already been shown, by the law of England and by our own law from the time of the first settlement of the colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within this country.

Claiming that the 14th excludes citizenship of children, born in the United States, of citizens or subjects of other countries would be to deny citizenship to persons of English, Scotch, Irish, German, or other European parentage who have always been considered and treated as citizens of the United States.

You didn't mention the naturalized part. Screwed your own agruement. Your skills are less than good.

[Captdon]

Why do we allow this guy to hijack every thread he gets into?

[MisterVeritis]

Birthright citizenship in the United States

Slaves had "permission" to be here. Illegal aliens do not.

[Lummy]

Why do we allow this guy to hijack every thread he gets into?

Wimps all, Brutus.

[Safety]

That begs the question discussed here.

According to What ‘Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof’ Really Means



It goes into detail the arguments and resolutions put forth in writing and voting on the amendment.

Yet, it is a blog and they are discussing jurisdiction, but do not make any new revelations about it. But here....
https://books.google.com/books?id=sN...20583.&f=false

Page 440, “That all children born within the dominion of the United States, of foreign parents holding no diplomatic office, became citizens at the time of their birth”,....Lynch v. Clark, (1844) 1 Sandf.Ch. 583.

Precedence.

[Cannons Front]

Unless you are Native American Indian, you immigrated here.

What is a Native American Indian?
Native Americans are anyone that was born in the Americas, north south or central.
I am Native American, I was born in Ohio
Indians, are people who are born in India.
Do you mean Indigenous Americans? Like the Sioux, Cherokee etc.....
I am also a descendant of Indigenous Americans as I have more than one tribe in my ancestry.

[Chris]

Yet, it is a blog and they are discussing jurisdiction, but do not make any new revelations about it. But here....
https://books.google.com/books?id=sN...20583.&f=false

Page 440, “That all children born within the dominion of the United States, of foreign parents holding no diplomatic office, became citizens at the time of their birth”,....Lynch v. Clark, (1844) 1 Sandf.Ch. 583.

Precedence.

Blog smog makes no difference, you fail to address their argument.

Your reference fails to address the legal vs illegal question. ANd you fail to give a complete quote:



And you fail to mention that subsequent paragraphs go on to address the allegiance question.

And you fail to notice that that opinion was given in 1844 prior to ratification of the 14th amendment in 1868.