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    Meghan Murphy Interviewed on Twitter Ban, Free Speech

    About two weeks ago, I highlighted the political significance of prominent radical feminist Meghan Murphy, who owns the Feminist Current web site that I frequently visit and link to often, being banned from Twitter for disagreeing with the transgender movement in that said development opened a dialogue between radical feminists and the (mostly libertarian) right wing. More recently, she was interviewed on the subject by The Hill and I wanted to share that interview with people so that hopefully everyone can see where she is (and really I too am) coming from with regard to opposing gender identity politics and on freedom of speech. She does a good job of defending her position, IMO. You can find it in video form here. It's about 11 minutes. (There's no YouTube version available to embed. Sorry, I did look for one!)

    To me, the interviewer seemed to be trying to goad her a bit (particularly with the disingenuous comparison to Alex Jones that just haaaaappened to get slipped in), but she didn't take the bait and instead focused on calmly making a clear case that Twitter's new policies are unreasonably restrictive. One point I agreed with especially strongly was the point Murphy made about how social media sites like Twitter have become the new public square in effect because it's the truth. The fact that today's public square is privately owned has these sort of worrying ramifications about the potential for just a few people to effectively shut off public debate about very important political subjects and questions like what a woman is. I'm also increasingly inclined to agree with her that while threats of physical violence should be prohibited and those prohibitions actually enforced on these platforms for a change, beyond that sort of obvious thing, people should generally be allowed to speak freely on these massive, multinational platforms that have far more members than our country has residents. Personally, I think that these social media conglomerates should be treated as public utilities since they functionally are.
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    People are being banned on Twitter for disagreements now? Jesus Christ. And whether intentional or not, radical transgenderism is the enemy of feminism and females in general

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    I agree with her, you are the sex you're born with. I disagree with her about gender roles, gender is, at least in part, biological and not merely a social construct.

    On misgendering and even deadnaming, I agree with her as well. You should not be forced to use genders or names people prefer. This is what made Jordon Peterson famous, his fight against compelled speech:



    On free speech, I disagree. Twitter is a private business. Free speech as a right, is protected against government intrusion, but not private rules. It doesn't matter if Twitter claims to be a public square for the exchange of ideas. Here, it's the market that will determine whether they live up to their implied contract of "free speech."
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Personally, I think that these social media conglomerates should be treated as public utilities since they functionally are.
    This would just mean more government control. Do you really want someone like Trump deciding what happens on Twitter and Facebook?
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    As usual, the interviewer (representing the pro-trans argument) relies on a bevy of strawmen. Nobody is arguing in favor of hating trans people; nobody is saying that all trans people are bad or dangerous; nobody is saying that trans people should be treated unfairly; all we're saying is that sex isn't changeable. XX is female and XY is male. But that cannot be argued, so they just resort to strawmen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    This would just mean more government control. Do you really want someone like Trump deciding what happens on Twitter and Facebook?
    How about corporations swaying elections based on their own censorship policies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    How about corporations swaying elections based on their own censorship policies?
    That just sounds like capitalism to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    This would just mean more government control. Do you really want someone like Trump deciding what happens on Twitter and Facebook?
    I don't want Trump controlling the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Education (hello!), the Department of Labor, or anything other government agency for that matter, but fortunately that problem can be remedied electorally. (At least in theory. It's not a certainty that Trump would ever admit to an electoral defeat and leave office. He still can't admit that he lost the popular vote in 2016.) One cannot say as much of the administration of Twitter, Facebook, or other massive, social media platforms that are owned privately. They're all run autocratically.

    I mean in my dream world we would also have a different political system wherein these agencies would be more democratically controlled (e.g. perhaps popularly elected) too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    I don't want Trump controlling the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Education (hello!), the Department of Labor, or anything other government agency for that matter, but fortunately that problem can be remedied electorally. (At least in theory. It's not a certainty that Trump would ever admit to an electoral defeat and leave office. He still can't admit that he lost the popular vote in 2016.) One cannot say as much of the administration of Twitter, Facebook, or other massive, social media platforms that are owned privately. They're all run autocratically.

    I mean in my dream world we would also have a different political system wherein these agencies would be more democratically controlled (e.g. perhaps popularly elected) too.
    Our interactions with private companies are voluntary. You are free to withdraw your support from them at any time. The same cannot be said of our nominally "democratic" government.
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    I agree with her and ive been posting about it, how can anyone consider it fair that a male who says he thinks hes a female gets to compete with women instead of men and has an unfair advantage
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