Statue of former governor returning to University of Texas...

[Chris]

Like "Silent Sam," Hogg is being returned to campus, just a new location.



Statue of former governor returning to University of Texas after being taken down last year

A statue of a segregationist politician is returning to the University of Texas campus in Austin less than two years after it was removed.

The statue of James Hogg, the son of a Confederate general, will be relocated to another part of campus later this month, University of Texas president Gregory Fenves announced in a letter to the community Thursday.

James Hogg was governor of Texas from 1891 to 1895; while serving in that role signed the state’s first Jim Crow bill into law, according to the Dallas News.

When the statue was first removed from the south mall on campus in August of 2017, along with three statues of confederate generals, Fenves wrote that “events make it clear, now more than ever, that Confederate monuments have become symbols of modern white supremacy and neo-Nazism.”

UT spokesman J.B. Bird told the Dallas News that “there are definitely parts of [Hogg’s] history that are disturbing and there are parts worth celebrating."

Fenves said when the statue was originally removed that it was always the intention that Hogg’s statue would come back to campus, albeit in a different location.

The other three monuments, including one of Robert E. Lee, all are being housed in the school’s Dolph Briscoe Center for American History.

In the letter sent out Thursday, Fenves wrote that Hogg has a “complicated and nuanced legacy," but defended his positives, including Hogg’s advocacy for public and higher education.

“Governor Hogg and his descendants made many contributions to UT Austin and to the state. His statue has been part of the campus for more than 80 years and will continue to represent the legacy of the Hogg family in its new location,” Fenves wrote.

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Like "Silent Sam," Hogg is being returned to campus, just a new location.



Statue of former governor returning to University of Texas after being taken down last year

I almost get their point with some statues, including this guy. But what kids have to understand that you must judge people , in part, based upon the times they lived in and that you can throw darts at any leader. Even black and female leaders.
It's never about the man, it's about what he accomplished and of course about what he donated. Real world 101 kids.

[Safety]

That's like saying we should only judge Hitler based upon the time he lived in....except in that case, even at that time, Hitler was an $#@!. No, I think people should judge the actions of people, based upon the actions those people took, regardless of the time they lived in.

It's like when people say, "well, he used the n-word, but that's ok because it was a different time". No, that is not ok, because even during that time, there were decent people who knew that word was derogatory and chose not to use it, so the excuse of weak minded people being weak, won't fly.

[Chris]

That's like saying we should only judge Hitler based upon the time he lived in....except in that case, even at that time, Hitler was an $#@!. No, I think people should judge the actions of people, based upon the actions those people took, regardless of the time they lived in.

It's like when people say, "well, he used the n-word, but that's ok because it was a different time". No, that is not ok, because even during that time, there were decent people who knew that word was derogatory and chose not to use it, so the excuse of weak minded people being weak, won't fly.

I don't think the point has anything to do with how we judge this Democrat and how he supported institutional racism, we should judge him. The point is we should not, no matter how sensitive some are, hide him from history as if he and it never existed.

[Safety]

I don't think the point has anything to do with how we judge this Democrat and how he supported institutional racism, we should judge him. The point is we should not, no matter how sensitive some are, hide him from history as if he and it never existed.

No, that is exactly the point, just like you made it a point to highlight his party affiliation. The only difference is that with your point, you are being intellectually dishonest because Hogg would be 100% compatible with the GOP today than the Democratic Party. But, as usual, that is the only argument you are able to make, so I understand why you try so hard to change history.

[Tahuyaman]

I don't think the point has anything to do with how we judge this Democrat and how he supported institutional racism, we should judge him. The point is we should not, no matter how sensitive some are, hide him from history as if he and it never existed.

I completely agree that our history should not be ignored or erased. However, I don't see anything wrong with relocating these statues. But as usual, Saftey misses the mark with his comment.

[Safety]

I completely agree that our history should not be ignored or erased. However, I don't see anything wrong with relocating these statues. But as usual, Saftey misses the mark with his comment.

Evidently I did not miss the mark, it was hit so hard that I am imprinted on your mind.

[Chris]

I completely agree that our history should not be ignored or erased. However, I don't see anything wrong with relocating these statues. But as usual, Saftey misses the mark with his comment.

They seem to be relocating these statues to more historical sites or museums, so it's a good move.

[Safety]

Moving a statue to a museum is not "erasing" history. If you want to see it everyday as a reminder of how the good ol days were, then take a picture.

[Chris]

No, that is exactly the point, just like you made it a point to highlight his party affiliation. The only difference is that with your point, you are being intellectually dishonest because Hogg would be 100% compatible with the GOP today than the Democratic Party. But, as usual, that is the only argument you are able to make, so I understand why you try so hard to change history.

Nice twisting of what I said and of history to boot.

The point of preserving history is, well, simply that, to preserve it.