An Extra $500 A Month? 100 Residents To Be Selected For Basic Income Pilot Program

[zachroidott]

No low skill/minimum wage jobs offer benefits any longer. Such is the future for skilled labor. Supply and demand will make it possible for hiring only part time out of the vast and competitive labor pool. Benefits will be a thing of the past. For example, hospital management prefers PRNs. I don't say this as a tree hugger, but our definition of evil socialism is going to have to adapt to the fact that some form of it is inevitable.

I clearly need to go to bed.

[Tahuyaman]

An Extra $500 A Month? 100 Residents To Be Selected For Basic Income Pilot Program

What I see happening is government declaring this as a sweeping success no matter what the actual results may be.

[Tahuyaman]

Do you ever defend those of us forced to pay for your pipe dreams?

While he does support many things which are compatible with being a strict constitutionalist, he is ultimately a class envist and thinks the so called wealthy need to be put in their place.

[Tahuyaman]

Pilot program.....so if it works there will be more, huh?

If government wants it to work, it will be declared as working no matter what.

[Tahuyaman]

Nonesense, everyone with a brain knows there are employers that pay less than the value they recieve from their employees just because they can.

This bowing godlike for employers and treating employees like chattel is bull$#@!. There would be no employers without employees and its the employees that make the employer money.

Every small business guy I know what whines he cant keep employees is because he treats them like $#@! or pays them like $#@!.

Employers pay their employees what they are worth based on their skills and their value to the operation.

[Dr. Who]

Employers pay their employees what they are worth based on their skills and their value to the operation.

Not really. Based on my observations, the social butterflies and bootlickers rise to the top - they are generally the most technically incompetent people but they are very adept at crediting themselves for the work of others and kissing ass.

[Helena]

It has failed in Canada and Finland doesn't plan to continue it, but hey, California's gonna get it right.

[Common]

Employers pay their employees what they are worth based on their skills and their value to the operation.

That is pure rote memorized teaparty agenda rhetoric, EVERYONE knows many employers will pay the least they can get away with, to put more in their pocket

Why do you think employers hire illegals instead of americans ?

[Peter1469]

No low skill/minimum wage jobs offer benefits any longer. Such is the future for skilled labor. Supply and demand will make it possible for hiring only part time out of the vast and competitive labor pool. Benefits will be a thing of the past. For example, hospital management prefers PRNs.

I very much doubt that supply and demand will result in only part time / zero position jobs. That does not make any sense. For one, look at the unemployment rate, now around 3.5%. That is very close to 'full employment.' Those left unemployed are usually unemployable due to various reasons. In such situations workers have a good deal of negotiating power when seeking employment or asking for a raise. Even when the unemployment rises, workers- especially good workers still have negotiation power. Poor workers, unskilled and low skill workers however have little negotiating power.

I don't say this as a tree hugger, but our definition of evil socialism is going to have to adapt to the fact that some form of it is inevitable.

One problem is that too many people misuse the term socialism. Socialism is essentially the public (government) ownership of property and the means of production. We don't have that in the West. What we do have is varying degrees of government management / control over welfare programs and the government picking and choosing winners and losers. You are correct that some forms of government meddling in the market is inevitable. All nations in the West have some form of safety nets such as the US Social Security scheme and Medicaid (health insurance coverage for the poor.) The question going forward is whether these programs help more than they hurt and were to draw the line. All nations in the West are flirting with crippling debt and demographics is not in their favor. We are seeing the numbers of workers paying into these systems becoming less in number to the retirees that rely on these programs.

[Peter1469]

An Extra $500 A Month? 100 Residents To Be Selected For Basic Income Pilot Program


What I see happening is government declaring this as a sweeping success no matter what the actual results may be.

Maybe not. It has been tried before in many places and has been declared a failure.