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    Follow the (climate change) money

    Think the politicizing of climate change has no effect?

    Follow the (climate change) money

    ...How big is the Climate Change Industrial Complex today? Surprisingly, no one seems to be keeping track of all the channels of funding. A few years ago Forbes magazine went through the federal budget and estimated about $150 billion in spending on climate change and green energy subsidies during President Obama’s first term.

    That didn’t include the tax subsidies that provide a 30 percent tax credit for wind and solar power — so add to those numbers about $8 billion to $10 billion a year. Then add billions more in costs attributable to the 29 states with renewable energy mandates that require utilities to buy expensive “green” energy.

    Worldwide the numbers are gargantuan. Five years ago, a leftist group called the Climate Policy Initiative issued a study which found that “Global investment in climate change” reached $359 billion that year. Then to give you a sense of how money-hungry these planet-saviors are, the CPI moaned that this spending “falls far short of what’s needed” a number estimated at $5 trillion.

    For $5 trillion we could feed everyone on the planet, end malaria, and provide clean water and reliable electricity to every remote village in Africa. And we would probably have enough money left over to find a cure for cancer and Alzheimers.

    ...Now here’s the real scandal of the near trillion dollars that governments have stolen from taxpayers to fund climate change hysteria and research. By the industry’s own admission there has been almost no progress worldwide in actually combatting climate change. The latest reports by the U.S. government and the United Nations say the problem is getting worse not better and we have not delayed the apocalypse by a single day.

    Has there ever been such a massive government expenditure that has had such miniscule returns on investment? After three decades of “research” the only “solution” is for the world to stop using fossil fuels, which is like saying that we should stop growing food.

    Really? The greatest minds of the world entrusted with hundreds of billions of dollars can only come up with a solution that would entail the largest government power grab in world history, shutting down industrial production (just look at the catastrophe in Germany when they went all in for green energy), and throwing perhaps billions of human beings into poverty? If that’s the remedy, I will take my chances on a warming planet....
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    Again, if this is truly a man-made environmental crisis, then why is the solution wealth redistribution?
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    It has nothing to do with any man made crisis. The powers that be are using a natural progression, pumping it up with fear, then sending the bill to the fearful ones using junk science.
    I've asked several people in here, "What happened to the Sahara Tropical Rain Forests?"
    No answer because it is natural progression. They want to cash in on natural change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Again, if this is truly a man-made environmental crisis, then why is the solution wealth redistribution?
    Free market solutions would draw less protests.
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    Yea, I don't want to argue whether it's a crisis but set that aside and look at how the science and solutions are affected by money and politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Think the politicizing of climate change has no effect?
    Of course it has an effect. The bribe money flows in massive quantities to the Republican party, on the condition that they oppose action. Follow the money.

    None of that money goes to bribe climate scientists, so the actual science is unaffected by money. Scientists don't get paid to produce a certain result. They get paid the same no matter what. Scientists don't get additional money in their pocket if they get a grant. They have no monetary motivation to fix the results. I mean, the denier side tries to bribe them to lie, but they refuse those bribes, giving them even more credibility.

    As far as tax breaks and studies go, it's the job of good government to prevent environmental catastrophe and plan for the far future, given that the free market fails so badly at such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Of course it has an effect. The bribe money flows in massive quantities to the Republican party, on the condition that they oppose action. Follow the money.

    None of that money goes to bribe climate scientists, so the actual science is unaffected by money. Scientists don't get paid to produce a certain result. They get paid the same no matter what. Scientists don't get additional money in their pocket if they get a grant. They have no monetary motivation to fix the results. I mean, the denier side tries to bribe them to lie, but they refuse those bribes, giving them even more credibility.

    As far as tax breaks and studies go, it's the job of good government to prevent environmental catastrophe and plan for the far future, given that the free market fails so badly at such things.
    Hockey stick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Again, if this is truly a man-made environmental crisis, then why is the solution wealth redistribution?
    Chairman Mao is all for this process
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Hockey stick?
    Confirmed in multiple different ways. I hope you don't try to call if a fraud, because that would really embarrass you, trying to push a conspiracy theory that's been debunked for so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    Confirmed in multiple different ways. I hope you don't try to call if a fraud, because that would really embarrass you, trying to push a conspiracy theory that's been debunked for so long.

    Hockey stick, confirmed. You're a comedian. Good grief. But that's not what the thread is about but more about the politicization of the hockey stick and the effects of that. Mann made a fortune and gave the hockey stick shaft.
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