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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    War, as I used it, in the war of all against all, is not the kind of war you're thinking of. It's sort of a play on Hobbes. Citing Sunic, Against Democracy and Equality, "The economic reductionism in liberal countries gradually leads to social alienation, the obsession with privacy and individualism, and most important, to ethnic and national uprootedness or Entwurzelung. Consequently, when the breakdown of ethnic ties occurs, liberal societies are left with social atomization,m followed by what Othmar Spann calls 'the battle of all against all' (bellum omnuium contra omnes), which leads directly to Communist totalitarianism."

    Monarchies also have stake in the game which politicians in democracies do not for all they're concerned with is getting re-elected. It has to do with time preference.
    If ethnic ties were the only kind of ties that matter, then I would agree with you, however, I believe that people can and do bond on the basis of common ideologies. In places like N. America ethnicity becomes the stuff of comfort foods and tales of the old country, but doesn`t define people. Atomization is not really a result of separation from ethnic roots, because it is occurring in the old world as well. It`s a function of the modern way of life which causes people to be more isolated, self-reliant and less attached to people, places and things in order to compete. If labor is a commodity, then it is also subject to competition and it cannot retain any value if it isn`t willing to participate in the game. In many ways, the combination of technological advancement, capitalism and the growth of urban centers are responsible for this atomization.

    Monarchies in the oldest sense had a stake in the game, but as monarchies became more institutionalized, they lost touch with the people and hence they were overthrown or rendered figureheads. We look outward for the perfect socio/economic system, but as in a good meal, without good ingredients, you will never achieve success. It is our flaws as human beings that are ultimately self-defeating.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    If ethnic ties were the only kind of ties that matter, then I would agree with you, however, I believe that people can and do bond on the basis of common ideologies. In places like N. America ethnicity becomes the stuff of comfort foods and tales of the old country, but doesn`t define people. Atomization is not really a result of separation from ethnic roots, because it is occurring in the old world as well. It`s a function of the modern way of life which causes people to be more isolated, self-reliant and less attached to people, places and things in order to compete. If labor is a commodity, then it is also subject to competition and it cannot retain any value if it isn`t willing to participate in the game. In many ways, the combination of technological advancement, capitalism and the growth of urban centers are responsible for this atomization.

    Monarchies in the oldest sense had a stake in the game, but as monarchies became more institutionalized, they lost touch with the people and hence they were overthrown or rendered figureheads. We look outward for the perfect socio/economic system, but as in a good meal, without good ingredients, you will never achieve success. It is our flaws as human beings that are ultimately self-defeating.
    You're right it's not just ethnology but family and other ties we have to community, language, interests, heritage, and so much more that the liberal agenda has tried to destroy and replace with your beloved state.

    The problem with monarchies is eventually they elevated themselves above the law as absolute authorities placing other social soverignties beneath and eventually replacing that with the modern democratic state. Nisbet, The Quest for Community, traces those ideas from Jean Bodin through Hobbes to Rousseau and his ultimate contradiction that freedom is found in the coercion of the state. Such absolute perfection is impossible and led to the horrors of communism and fascism and the murder of millions.
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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