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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    People joining together in a corporation.



    I don't know your hospital, but it is probably non-profit. A poor example on my part; but still, a corporation likely runs it.
    Quasi-governmental, not a NFP or c-3 but it is incorporated.

    "Funding" like most hospitals, and "funding" really isn't the right term, reimbursement is - primarily comes from CMS then some tax revenue and other grants and sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    According to our corporate counsel and accountant, a partnership wouldn't give us the proper benefits. A LLC does/did. We're getting afield here. The framework that is accused of being so evil here is CORPORATION -- the joining of people to do business.
    The "corporate" theme in the OP isn't or wasn't really the best way to frame the topic IMO but I half agree with your statements.

    In comparison to the suggestion that corps are doing this damage, your corp isn't even a gnat speck on the radar of those being implied in the OP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    The "corporate" theme in the OP isn't or wasn't really the best way to frame the topic IMO but I half agree with your statements. In comparison to the suggestion that corps are doing this damage, your corp isn't even a gnat speck on the radar of those being implied in the OP
    I agree. My point is that there's evil out there and we have laws to handle them. Let's enforce the laws rather than indict the method that individuals choose to associate to do business.
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    Looks like I really struck a nerve, got mod proffesionalism in its finest form here. Somehow posting a thread about the truth of pollution, and bad practices that destroy our land, air, and water, seems to be a major threat. It has people acting in an absurd manner.

    Are you earth destroying defenders saying we cant do these things without destroying the earth? And please try to answer in a normal way. You are giving away your agenda. This was a pretty strong reaction to a pollution thread don't ya think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I agree. My point is that there's evil out there and we have laws to handle them. Let's enforce the laws rather than indict the method that individuals choose to associate to do business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioGod View Post
    I think you are the confused one, Chris. You are confusing capitalism with corporatism. I will try to help you see it clearer. I know in advance my efforts are in vain. Capitalism is where we can all create and trade goods and services. Then, our collective activity creates an economy. Things in demand develop value. But in this capitalistic model, it is the private individuals themselves that run their own businesses. People can even invest in businesses. And the business owners are personally responsible if harm is done to another person or another person's rights.
    The corporate model is different. The corporations hide behind rules and laws that supposedly protect shareholders investments, and use those rules as an excuse to continually try to grow and expand. Each quarter must be more profitable than the last. This creates a competitive economy, but not in the sense that goods and services are superior, and so are valued higher, as in the capitalist model. That would be more expensive and goes against the basic profit formula of "buy low, sell high".
    No, corporations increase their market values with lies, fraud, and felonious business practices. They use these practices to devour smaller businesses and other corporations, and the end goal of each corporation is to own everything and control everything. That is where the corporate charter and laws lead. This is inherently anti-free market, anti-open economy, and anti-capitalistic.
    Real business owners not incorporated, are at a total disadvantage in the markets. Us peons have to follow all laws to the letter, because one fine or broken law can bankrupt us personally and make us homeless or incarcerated. Corporations have limited liability, and it is extremely rare when an individual within a corporation is fined or imprisoned personally. They are therefore free to be as fast and loose with laws and regulations as they want, because the burdens of punishments fall on the corporation itself, not the individuals. When they engage in our capitalist system, they use these things to their advantage to force smaller private business out of the market.
    Business owners try to make things that people need or want. The better they do it, the more they are in demand. Corporations try to make the worst products possible, and force us all to buy them. Corporations that buy up municipal water utilities, quickly move to get laws passed that make it illegal to collect rain water or dig wells, or even water your grass. They will even export that water to other countries or states for profit, and pass the costs off onto the citizens in their water bill. They monopolize and control everything possible, in complete contradiction to the concept of a free and open market that capitalism represents.
    Corporatism is not capitalism. Corporatism is anti-capitalism.
    And when it comes to government, it is not capitalism that corrupts our officials. It is corporatism.

    One, great, unlike JAP and CO, you have seperated out free-market capitalism from the coporate collusion of government and corporation. THere goes theit thesis up in smoke.

    Two, like any good liberal/socialist you fail to see any fault in the government you need to support because you believe it can fix things for you. You missasign power to corporations who have none other than want they obtain through rent seeking as favors from the government.

    I'll leave the rest uncommented on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    "....corporations increase their market values with lies, fraud, and felonious business practices..."

    Sometimes they do -- and when they get caught their officers go to jail.

    More often than not, though, they increase their market value with hard work, risk taking and smart business practices. I started a corporation on May 1, 2015, together with 9 other shareholders. We now have 3 offices and 20+ lawyers, 60+ employees. We haven't lied, defrauded anyone or committed any felonies. All we've done is provided smart good-quality legal representation. I work 70 hours a week; Christmas Eve, New Years Eve, every Saturday, 1/3 of the Sundays. Can you say that?

    Inasmuch as corporations are a part of the market, they can attain what they want only by providing goods and services people as consumers want and value. The idea that "....corporations increase their market values with lies, fraud, and felonious business practices..." in a market is absurd for people as consumers do not valie lies, fraud and felonies and will go elsewhere to get what they value.

    But they are also legal entities controlled by government regulation and in cases seek unfair advantage through rent seeking favors from the government. This collusion is corrupt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    Massive over generalization fail, most if not all of those are false.

    Corps "provide" for us like gubmint provides for us and those on the right will be the first to say this nation isn't the gubmint but will bow at the corporate altar.

    That's paranoia speaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    It's a framework for operating, the people involved do the actual work....

    Obviously, people work in corporations.
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