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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    Here is how I see it, and I am no fan of Obama in many regards. But, during Obama we had a steady improvement of the economy, and he was not destroying the environment or giving tax breaks to the wealthy to do it. Recovery was slow but even though he was gearing towards green energy we were still recovering. Unlike Trump, he is using harsh methods to so called fix the economy. While he is fixing the economy he is destroying our land air and water, and ruining our nation. I would not call that progress. And, he is just borrowing in order to make it look like we are doing better. If you look at the big picture we are doing worse by far. He is truly plundering our nation.
    Since the focus is economy, I'll address those points.

    Yes, the economy improved under Obama. But that is natural to the bust and boom cycles of any economy. Obama slowed recovery just like FDR did. In fact, it was...



    And the economy continues to improve under Trump. Could it be those "harsh" methods like cutting taxes and rebulation? Who knows.

    As for borrowing, the facts are as follows, U.S. Debt by President by Dollar and Percent:

    ...Donald Trump: As projected in the FY 2019 budget, Trump plans to add $4.775 trillion, a 29-percent increase from the $20.245 trillion debt at the end of Obama's last budget for FY 2017.

    ...Barack Obama: Added $8.588 trillion, a 74-percent increase from the $11.657 trillion debt at the end of Bush’s last budget, FY 2009.
    Seems they have both borrowed a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    "Twice as strong"? That's certainly a claim you can't prove.

    The economic upturn began with Obama and the trend has continued. Trump's tax cuts have helped economic growth, but they have also contributed to the growing deficit.

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    If you take your graph and average it out, the post tax cut economy is out performing the pre-tax economy by 100% in increase in GDP. It is much more apparent if you look back to when Obama took office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Since the focus is economy, I'll address those points.

    Yes, the economy improved under Obama. But that is natural to the bust and boom cycles of any economy. Obama slowed recovery just like FDR did. In fact, it was...



    And the economy continues to improve under Trump. Could it be those "harsh" methods like cutting taxes and rebulation? Who knows.

    As for borrowing, the facts are as follows, U.S. Debt by President by Dollar and Percent:



    Seems they have both borrowed a lot.
    I never said that they didn't both borrow a lot. You are right about that. My point was the even with the methods of going green and not harming the environment growth was still happening. I am not sticking up for Obama though. I was very displeased in many ways with him. I did not think he was working hard enough at going green, I think he could have been more aggressive. I didn't agree with Obama care, or his mass murder of Syrians.

    I strongly disagree with trumps methods at fixing our economy. That is just how I feel about it. Just sharing my opinion, not trying to change yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Trump never said he was a conservative. He said what he'd like to do. Some of it I liked, some of it I didn't believe was possible and some of it I didn't care about.

    Clinton disgusted me. She would have been nailing the coffin lid on America.

    Given the choices, I picked Trump, warts and all.
    Agree about Trump and Hillary.

    I voted 3rd Party and plan to in the future.

    I do like what Trump has done for the federal judiciary. I am disappointed that Trump has caved on his foreign policy position that he articulated in his May 2016 speech- that was amazing. What he has done, largely is just wrong in the foreign policy world. He also should have vetoed all spending bills from Congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Everything Obama said about the future of our economy has been disproved.
    He said that out of frustration because his plans for the economy dampened economic growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    I never said that they didn't both borrow a lot. You are right about that. My point was the even with the methods of going green and not harming the environment growth was still happening. I am not sticking up for Obama though. I was very displeased in many ways with him. I did not think he was working hard enough at going green, I think he could have been more aggressive. I didn't agree with Obama care, or his mass murder of Syrians.

    I strongly disagree with trumps methods at fixing our economy. That is just how I feel about it. Just sharing my opinion, not trying to change yours.

    That's fine, how you feel, I was just presenting facts.


    As for environment, we might compare actions each has taken, and feelings about that, but the effects won't be seen for decades or more, so there are no facts to really compare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    Here is how I see it, and I am no fan of Obama in many regards. But, during Obama we had a steady improvement of the economy, and he was not destroying the environment or giving tax breaks to the wealthy to do it. Recovery was slow but even though he was gearing towards green energy we were still recovering. Unlike Trump, he is using harsh methods to so called fix the economy. While he is fixing the economy he is destroying our land air and water, and ruining our nation. I would not call that progress. And, he is just borrowing in order to make it look like we are doing better. If you look at the big picture we are doing worse by far. He is truly plundering our nation.
    Recovery was the slowest in US history under Obama. I can't support that under any circumstance.

    The green energy field is doing just fine. They will cover 80% of human needs by the year 2100.

    Things are better today than at any previous time in history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    I have never before seen the country so polarized as it is about Donald Trump: Some appear to view him as the very personification of all that is evil--he can do nothing right--whereas others seem to see him as the apotheosis of all that is good--and he can do no wrong.

    Why can't we simply agree that he is a human being--just like the rest of us--and that, like the rest of us, he is sometimes right, and sometimes wrong?

    Personally, I think that he has been right more often than not. But I did not care for his intrusion upon free trade; and his recent dustup with the Fed is not good either, in my opinion.
    The country has been increasingly polarized for decades. Polarization causes people to defend the indefenceable , without which the donkephant would have to be evaluated on it's collective actions . In that case they could not survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    I never said that they didn't both borrow a lot. You are right about that. My point was the even with the methods of going green and not harming the environment growth was still happening. I am not sticking up for Obama though. I was very displeased in many ways with him. I did not think he was working hard enough at going green, I think he could have been more aggressive. I didn't agree with Obama care, or his mass murder of Syrians.

    I strongly disagree with trumps methods at fixing our economy. That is just how I feel about it. Just sharing my opinion, not trying to change yours.
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