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    You know its one thing to cast your vote for a politician who at least in the first instance was not renowned for moral turpitude and disreputable financial conduct versus voting for someone who was infamous for these things. Would you invest money with a man who the banks won't touch with a ten-foot pole? Would you involve yourself in a business deal with a man with a history of 1200 lawsuits by unpaid contractors and shafted investors? Would you really want any financial relationship with a man who employs a crooked lawyer as a 'fixer' for his legal woes and who ran a fraudulent university in order to bilk students of tuition like a common grifter?

    Yet you invest your vote in such a man whose middle name should be Fraud, in the hopes that he will make anything right. The man had a laundry list of wishes, cherry-picked from the conservative media talking heads that he sold to the willingly blind. He's not a politician, he's a largely failed CEO. Does he even try to unite the right, never mind gain support from the left? No. He is a divisive force in the Republican party who either keep their disdain for him to themselves but occasionally dare to speak out. He goes out of his way to divide the public. Where it counts, he doesn't get Republican votes despite the fact that they may disingenuously sing his praises in public. He is about to become another lame duck President midway in his first term of office. He is surrounded by people who have been or are now indicted for unlawful activities, some of whom who have now been convicted. He is like a dystopic Pigpen in the Charlie Brown comic strip with his own personal cloud of corruption following him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    You know its one thing to cast your vote for a politician who at least in the first instance was not renowned for moral turpitude and disreputable financial conduct versus voting for someone who was infamous for these things. Would you invest money with a man who the banks won't touch with a ten-foot pole? Would you involve yourself in a business deal with a man with a history of 1200 lawsuits by unpaid contractors and shafted investors? Would you really want any financial relationship with a man who employs a crooked lawyer as a 'fixer' for his legal woes and who ran a fraudulent university in order to bilk students of tuition like a common grifter?

    Yet you invest your vote in such a man whose middle name should be Fraud, in the hopes that he will make anything right. The man had a laundry list of wishes, cherry-picked from the conservative media talking heads that he sold to the willingly blind. He's not a politician, he's a largely failed CEO. Does he even try to unite the right, never mind gain support from the left? No. He is a divisive force in the Republican party who either keep their disdain for him to themselves but occasionally dare to speak out. He goes out of his way to divide the public. Where it counts, he doesn't get Republican votes despite the fact that they may disingenuously sing his praises in public. He is about to become another lame duck President midway in his first term of office. He is surrounded by people who have been or are now indicted for unlawful activities, some of whom who have now been convicted. He is like a dystopic Pigpen in the Charlie Brown comic strip with his own personal cloud of corruption following him.

    Did no one ever tell you about the results of making a deal with the devil?
    We made no deal with the devil. Crooked Hillary was soundly defeated. We voted for Trump. He won. We won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Some of us prefer not to have a racist grifter as President, and some of us, like you, like to make excuses for the inexcusable.

    Go figure.
    Yeah, sure. Obunghole was clean and pure, right? Remember his all out assault on whites and LEOs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    We made no deal with the devil. Crooked Hillary was soundly defeated. We voted for Trump. He won. We won.
    I suspect that you are predisposed not to recognize the devil if you tripped over him. Hillary was and is indeed crooked which is no excuse for putting an equally depraved individual into power just because he was singing along to the conservative dog whistles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I suspect that you are predisposed not to recognize the devil if you tripped over him. Hillary was and is indeed crooked which is no excuse for putting an equally depraved individual into power just because he was singing along to the conservative dog whistles.
    My ONE AND ONLY reason why my vote went to Trump was to protect the SCOTUS at all costs from the Left. So far he's delivered. Once Ruth Vader is gone, the Conservatives can solidify their majority and hopefully overturn some of the more egregious rulings like Roe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris The Animal View Post
    My ONE AND ONLY reason why my vote went to Trump was to protect the SCOTUS at all costs from the Left. So far he's delivered. Once Ruth Vader is gone, the Conservatives can solidify their majority and hopefully overturn some of the more egregious rulings like Roe.
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    I see TDS ha driven self-righteous moralizing to the level where Trump is the devil.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I see TDS ha driven self-righteous moralizing to the level where Trump is the devil.
    That sums it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I see TDS ha driven self-righteous moralizing to the level where Trump is the devil.
    Donald Trump is not a good person. He is the epitome of both, ignorance and want. He will never be given respect because he is not worthy. Anyone who supports this man gives his ignorance and want power and makes them an extension of who he is. It puts a stain on whomever supports him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    Donald Trump is not a good person. He is the epitome of both, ignorance and want. He will never be given respect because he is not worthy. Anyone who supports this man gives his ignorance and want power and makes them an extension of who he is. It puts a stain on whomever supports him.
    Same response, actually.

    Up front, I don't like Trump personally, don't like the way he presents himself. Then again I didn't like the way Obama presented himself either, smooth talker and all. But I manage to seperate that from their politics. Trump, as I've made clear many a time, I agree with on some actions, like tax cuts and deregulation and court nominations, but disagree with him on the wall (not immigration) and tariffs, and I'm well aware of arguments on these actions and more, and those disagreements lead to interesting discussions. But to simply condemn his actions for the way he presents himself I can never agree with.

    Let me explain what I mean by self-righteous moralizing. The self-righteous part is the assumption some one or group or thing or abstraction has violated law, Constitution, morals based on mere accusation, the assumption of truth without so much as a rational argument supporing it. Self-righteousness also assume a sense of moral superiority and ties into moralizing: "comment on issues of right and wrong, typically with an unfounded air of superiority." The moralizing also aims to associate the same moral evil assumed and accused with anyone who disagrees. This applies here to Trump but it also applies to many other topics.

    Not liking Trump, OK, that's your perogative. Same with just liking him. Sorry, but it just doesn't amount to much.
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