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    Quote Originally Posted by suds00 View Post
    he's only concerned about himself and not governing according to our constitution
    Show how he isn't governing by the Constitution, You are one of those people who say things but never respond when asked to provide any proof.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

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    I’ve spent a lot of time pondering this question, too, but I think the answer is pretty simple.

    Donald Trump is the living antithesis of Karl Marx. In Trump, we have a man who built an independent fortune for himself in real estate and media moguling, basically never having to worry about being fired or playing by others rules. He has a comical amount of “narcissism”: he believes he’s the greatest businessman alive and he takes 100% credit for his own success and routinely describes those who fail in life as “losers.” Whereas the post-Marxist, modern leftist ideal would be that those who fail in life are being exploited. It’s not your fault if you don’t succeed, it’s somebody else’s. Trump’s worldview is almost the perfect polar opposite.

    You weren’t supposed to defy norms about what is “racist” or “sexist” or such, because, low and behold, these terms were defined by the American left in narrow, contradictory ways. It was a way of keeping their opponents playing on their home court. Trump broke that mold, proved that their definitions could be challenged, proved that you could still win in defiance of them, and it drove the left mad.

    If the modern left is a scam, Trump is the one who’s exposing it. So they’ll pretty much do anything to stop him. Now, I don’t think Trump is necessarily conscious of any of this, and neither are the Democrats, necessarily. But I think this is basically what’s going on behind the scenes, and it explains everything from the shutdown to Mueller and most of what’s in between.

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    Interesting.
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    Probably stems from the fact that any time I say "Donald Trump" and don't immediately follow it up with "is the embodiment of Jesus Christ," I'm accused of "hating" the man. Even when there's evidence where I've complimenting him on some things.

    Conservative Trump-lovers act like we are not allowed to dislike him at all, like there's some obligation that I have to like and agree with everything Trump does.
    "Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."
    - Robert F. Kennedy (1925-1968), U.S. Senator from New York and U.S. Attorney General

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Probably stems from the fact that any time I say "Donald Trump" and don't immediately follow it up with "is the embodiment of Jesus Christ," I'm accused of "hating" the man. Even when there's evidence where I've complimenting him on some things.

    Conservative Trump-lovers act like we are not allowed to dislike him at all, like there's some obligation that I have to like and agree with everything Trump does.
    Well, there’s always gonna be some of that cutting both ways, with Trump or any president. But the resentment and animosity toward Trump is unrivaled in modern political times. There just hasn’t been anything like it. Just imagine people being punched for wearing Obama hats, or ran out of their jobs. That never happened, at least, nowhere near as frequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyWants View Post
    Well, there’s always gonna be some of that cutting both ways, with Trump or any president. But the resentment and animosity toward Trump is unrivaled in modern political times. There just hasn’t been anything like it. Just imagine people being punched for wearing Obama hats, or ran out of their jobs. That never happened, at least, nowhere near as frequently.
    Politicians also haven't openly encouraged violence and bullying either until Trump.
    "Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Politicians also haven't openly encouraged violence and bullying either until Trump.
    I would say there’s quite a bit of distance between off-the-cuff hyperbole/overreaction and the actual, organized violence orchestrated against Trump supporters and/or “nazis.” Trump’s comments also exist in a context where protestors often get violent. There’s really no comparison. Trump never advocated unprovoked violence against Hillary Clinton supporters with the logic of preemptively defeating a fascist sect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyWants View Post
    I would say there’s quite a bit of distance between off-the-cuff hyperbole/overreaction and the actual, organized violence orchestrated against Trump supporters and/or “nazis.” Trump’s comments also exist in a context where protestors often get violent. There’s really no comparison. Trump never advocated unprovoked violence against Hillary Clinton supporters with the logic of preemptively defeating a fascist sect.
    It's pretty telling that you put "Nazis" in quotes when these people are literally wearing swastikas, waving Nazi flags, and popping Nazi salutes, but okay. I agree that no side gets a pass in this and everyone has contributed to the problem. I don't agree that Trump is immune from criticism for his own part in it.
    "Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    It's pretty telling that you put "Nazis" in quotes when these people are literally wearing swastikas, waving Nazi flags, and popping Nazi salutes, but okay. I agree that no side gets a pass in this and everyone has contributed to the problem. I don't agree that Trump is immune from criticism for his own part in it.
    First of all, it’s never okay to commit unprovoked violence against anyone. Actual nazis included. If they’re guilty of a crime, you charge them with one, and if they’re not, you respect their right to see the world as they please, and challenge their speech with speech of your own. There’s just nothing more to be said on the topic.

    Secondly, I put “nazis” in quotes because many people branded with that term were far from national socialists, and it often became shorthand for simply, “a white person who is racist,” whether they really were or not.

    Lastly, sure, criticisms of Trump when he steps over a line are fair. But that doesn’t mean there’s any serious equivalency between Trump’s venting comments and a nationwide, media-promoted, serious debate over whether it’s okay to commit violence against political opponents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyWants View Post
    Well, there’s always gonna be some of that cutting both ways, with Trump or any president. But the resentment and animosity toward Trump is unrivaled in modern political times. There just hasn’t been anything like it. Just imagine people being punched for wearing Obama hats, or ran out of their jobs. That never happened, at least, nowhere near as frequently.
    You only need to remember TDS when it comes to liberals.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

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