We don't need the wall, Mexico is booming!

[RadioGod]

The only people being fooled is those that believe the liberal press that its not a problem. Secondly EVERYONE knows its not just mexicans and if you actually read the posts it would show you that we know its people from EVERYWHERE which makes it all that much worse. We realize its all of South American and some africans and muslims.

Doesnt matter WHO THEY ARE they are illegal and breaking our laws and costing us a billions and committing crimes from major to minor.

Give it up you cannot win this issue with bs, facts blow you up every time

If it's not Mexicans, then why not build a wall around Honduras and Guatemala? Or we could make Guatemala pay for the wall in Mexico? No, Trump has said before he would make Mexico pay for the wall. Now you Trumpites are claiming it's not the Mexicans you want to keep out. LOL.
It sounds like you want an entire immigration freeze of everyone, by your tone. JAP laid out a very reasonable variety of links that all show why immigration labor is important to us. I sure don't want to pay $30 for a pound of grapes at the store, or pay $400 for a pair of shoes, but that is exactly what immigration freezes and punitive tariffs will bring about.
If we build a wall and freeze immigration, we will isolate ourselves from the rest of the world. But we cannot isolate ourselves out of unreasonable prejudice and misunderstanding how an economy works, and expect to participate in the global economy in a meaningful way.
The facts are actually not in your favor.

[Peter1469]

If it's not Mexicans, then why not build a wall around Honduras and Guatemala? Or we could make Guatemala pay for the wall in Mexico? No, Trump has said before he would make Mexico pay for the wall. Now you Trumpites are claiming it's not the Mexicans you want to keep out. LOL.
It sounds like you want an entire immigration freeze of everyone, by your tone. JAP laid out a very reasonable variety of links that all show why immigration labor is important to us. I sure don't want to pay $30 for a pound of grapes at the store, or pay $400 for a pair of shoes, but that is exactly what immigration freezes and punitive tariffs will bring about.
If we build a wall and freeze immigration, we will isolate ourselves from the rest of the world. But we cannot isolate ourselves out of unreasonable prejudice and misunderstanding how an economy works, and expect to participate in the global economy in a meaningful way.
The facts are actually not in your favor.

Grapes won't be $30 a pound if all farm workers were paid market wages as opposed to less-than-market wages that we see if illegal labor.

[Captain Obvious]

I have heard a lot of people in this forum talk about how we need to build the wall. They are constantly saying how the Mexicans are invading us. I want to set some things straight that many of you might not be aware of. I believe trump is fooling his base just to keep them cheerleading for him, he is using the wall to do it. https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...-1007177795804

You should know that there are more Mexicans leaving America than are immigrating. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/1...ng-to-the-u-s/ This began many years ago it started under Obama. You should know that Obama was the toughest president on Immigration in US History. http://immigrationimpact.com/2017/01...y-immigration/ Many are not aware of this but Mexico is one of the strongest economies in the world, It takes #15 on the list. https://www.investopedia.com/insight...top-economies/ They are up and coming. They are being hailed as the new china. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...864D&FORM=VIRE This is the real reason that they do not need to come here anymore. Actually Mexico has a worker shortage. https://www.upi.com/Mexican-state-sa...4031541522411/ This is the reason that Mexico offered the people from Honduras to stay, because they needed them for their labor. Mexico no longer needs us, for our jobs.

Only a small majority of the people trying to cross our border are Mexicans, they are mostly the Hondurans, running from terror. Mexicans are leaving the US in droves. All we have to offer them is to work hard labor in the fields, and do the work no one else will do. They can get better jobs in Mexico working for tech companies, for better wages. https://www.wework.com/creator/city-...ing-3-reasons/

trump is fully aware of the problem. Our crops are rotting in the fields because we have no workers https://www.tri-cityherald.com/latest-news/article215518595.html . Many other industries are suffering due to the lack of migrant workers. https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...502-story.html Trump is busy pulling the wool over the eyes of his base by screaming loudly about the wall. All the while he is working to try and make the Mexicans come back to our nation for work. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.248044869ad7 He kicked it off by putting tariffs on Mexico. He figured that if he put tariffs that many businesses would fail and the workers would come here again. But that attempt has all but failed. They just retaliated with their own tarrifs. https://www.vox.com/world/2018/6/6/1...ds-trump-trade

But we are benefiting from one another. https://www.forbes.com/sites/themexi.../#571ad3b47768 Because Mexico is buying a lot from us now. They are up and coming. They are the new china. https://www.wealthdaily.com/articles...new-china/3694 You can throw out the window everything you thought that you knew about Mexico and the border.

America is no longer the only leader, we are not the only land of milk and honey, the only land of opportunity. People don't need to come here for that anymore. All of the people screaming about Mexicans invading our nation are just not aware of the real facts.

Agreed

Mexico is a valuable trade and culture partner. A wall is a symbol of fear and cowardice and our inability to manage our border and politics.

[Just AnotherPerson]

There is also another conundrum, Trump is constantly talking about creating more jobs, but we are in a serious worker shortage.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/05/the-...cal-point.html

Too many jobs not enough workers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/

American businesses cant find workers
https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/17/new...age/index.html

[Cletus]

If it's not Mexicans, then why not build a wall around Honduras and Guatemala?

Uh, maybe because we don't have a border with Honduras or Guatemala.

You are obviously not ready to discuss this topic. You may want to educate yourself and try again in a year or two.

[Captdon]

If it's not Mexicans, then why not build a wall around Honduras and Guatemala? Or we could make Guatemala pay for the wall in Mexico? No, Trump has said before he would make Mexico pay for the wall. Now you Trumpites are claiming it's not the Mexicans you want to keep out. LOL.
It sounds like you want an entire immigration freeze of everyone, by your tone. JAP laid out a very reasonable variety of links that all show why immigration labor is important to us. I sure don't want to pay $30 for a pound of grapes at the store, or pay $400 for a pair of shoes, but that is exactly what immigration freezes and punitive tariffs will bring about.
If we build a wall and freeze immigration, we will isolate ourselves from the rest of the world. But we cannot isolate ourselves out of unreasonable prejudice and misunderstanding how an economy works, and expect to participate in the global economy in a meaningful way.
The facts are actually not in your favor.

We don't need more than a million skilled immigrants a year. These border jumpers are not that. We don't need more laborers.We always have enough dummies here to do the scut work.

[Cletus]

Agreed

Mexico is a valuable trade and culture partner. A wall is a symbol of fear and cowardice and our inability to manage our border and politics.

Back to that, eh?

Silly $#@!.

[Captain Obvious]

We don't need more than a million skilled immigrants a year. These border jumpers are not that. We don't need more laborers.We always have enough dummies here to do the scut work.

They prefer entitlements. Why work when you can get Medicaid and other entitlements and sit around and smoke pot all day playing video games.

It's actually more lucrative to do that than earn a few bucks an hour digging potatoes.

[Captdon]

Agreed

Mexico is a valuable trade and culture partner. A wall is a symbol of fear and cowardice and our inability to manage our border and politics.

A wall is merely a way to keep the riff-raff out. That's what borders are supposed to do. Walls work every time.

[Captain Obvious]

Back to that, eh?

Silly $#@!.