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Thread: What, precisely, do Democrats want to impeach Trump for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    The question was what do democrats want to impeach Trump for? One answer was...In which a sloppy partisan hack asked...In which that member proceeded to oblige...Then notice how the sloppy partisan hack attempted to move the goalposts...Then another sloppy partisan hack, that just won an award on tPF, decided to jump in and help move the goalposts....
    This posters irony drips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rantzmar View Post
    If you'd move out your comfort zone and remove the blinders.....
    OK, I moved, it's uncomfortable, ready for some facts that serve as evidence to impeach....
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Impeachment is not a legal act, it is a political act. The Framers intent, and the limited case law associated with impeachment sets a fairly high bar for what "high crimes and misdemeanors" means.

    If impeachment is used for frivolous reason, and if courts ultimately uphold it, impeachment will become a common political tool that will be used by both sides and could very well paralyze the government. The democrats realize this and that is why the more rational democrats are trying to push back against all of this impeachment rhetoric.

    Exactly. That is what I want to know. What do the Democrats have that reaches that level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Impeachment is not a legal act, it is a political act. The Framers intent, and the limited case law associated with impeachment sets a fairly high bar for what "high crimes and misdemeanors" means. If impeachment is used for frivolous reason, and if courts ultimately uphold it, impeachment will become a common political tool that will be used by both sides and could very well paralyze the government. The democrats realize this and that is why the more rational democrats are trying to push back against all of this impeachment rhetoric.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Exactly. That is what I want to know. What do the Democrats have that reaches that level?

    I agree that this is political. The D's have to be careful here. There's no grounds for it and if the people (not the pretty ones in the coffee houses talking about being triggered but the real ones that get their hands dirty) think that the cute people are subverting the will of the American people, there could be nasty trouble. I was down home for the holidays and all I heard in this deep blue union area that went for Trump was "They aren't letting him do what he said he'd do".

    Also, there's a rich history in this country of the D's doing something and the R's turning it on them 7-fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    This posters irony drips.
    The only dripping you are witnessing is because of your prostate.
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    Trump won because he represented all of America that saw what Democrats were and are trying to do -- set up a permanent oligarchy of like-minded criminals, pretty much identical to any amoral criminal gang but absolutely powerful and without opposition.

    That machinery would certainly have been completed by the end of the witch's tenure or probably sooner. By now, guns would have been confiscated and the genocide of opposition would have been well under way. That is what they are $#@!ing and moaning about.

    They hate Trump because they hate America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    The only dripping you are witnessing is because of your prostate.
    It's hilarious watching partisan hacks accusing others of being partisan hacks
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    It's hilarious watching partisan hacks accusing others of being partisan hacks
    Don't feed him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rantzmar View Post
    Whats not true?

    Did Trump ask Comey to abandon the investigation? Is that truth?

    Did Trump afterwards fire Comey? Is that truth?

    Did Trump admit to firing Comey because of the "Russia thing" to Lester Holt? Is that not truth?

    Did he not tweet months late saying he fired Flynn because he lied to the FBI? Is that not truth?
    Trump didn't do anything out of line requesting Comey go easy on a general who served his country well. Flynn didn't serve any time precisely because FBI agents (including Comey when testifying before Congress) that they and he didn't detect any lying on the part of Flynn. He simply neglected to inform Pence of one conversation he had with a foreign dignitary and Pence went on television giving the public the opposite impression. Trump made a mistake firing Flynn because of it.

    Trump can fire anyone at any time for whatever reason. Even the Director of the FBI. All serve at his discretion.

    Trump never at any time requested the investigation be cancelled or terminated. You're getting your information from false sources.
    Truth is knowing - but also wanting to know - all the facts without biased interpretations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    Trump won because he represented all of America that saw what Democrats were and are trying to do -- set up a permanent oligarchy of like-minded criminals, pretty much identical to any amoral criminal gang but absolutely powerful and without opposition.

    That machinery would certainly have been completed by the end of the witch's tenure or probably sooner. By now, guns would have been confiscated and the genocide of opposition would have been well under way. That is what they are $#@!ing and moaning about.

    They hate Trump because they hate America.
    They actually do hate America and all Americans who don't fall in line with the progressive liberal power agenda. Trump is doing exactly what the people who voted for him want. By resisting him, they are resisting the will of the people. They think tearing down this president and his administration because they lost is what Americans want. The majority don't. Would venture to say there are democrats who don't either. It's going to backfire. If not now, then definitely later.

    Really appreciate your post.

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