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    I think what we get from the left here is "I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right" without any morals.
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    PragerU published videos by Prager himself along with numberous other speakers. I don't listen to Prager, especially his religious views. But I do listen to the other speakers who do preset topic with a generally conservative cultural or political view.

    Prager doesn't speak here. Mac Donald does. She speaks about identity politics infiltrating the universities. Did you have comment oin that topic.
    I'll keep an eye out for her book. Our library has her book on attacks on the police, I think it is. If I see her book on the above, I'll take a look.

    (Another objection to Prager video - ~5 minutes of cartoon is very brief. There's only time for a cartoonish broad picture there - possibly one reason they get so much static.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by southwest88 View Post
    I'll keep an eye out for her book. Our library has her book on attacks on the police, I think it is. If I see her book on the above, I'll take a look.

    (Another objection to Prager video - ~5 minutes of cartoon is very brief. There's only time for a cartoonish broad picture there - possibly one reason they get so much static.)

    I've semi-followed her for a long time. Years ago American Conservative, think it was, put out an issue on What is Left? What is Right?. She had one article in it arguing you can be conservative and atheist. Quite a stir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I've semi-followed her for a long time. Years ago American Conservative, think it was, put out an issue on What is Left? What is Right?. She had one article in it arguing you can be conservative and atheist. Quite a stir.

    I showed my husband that article. Here's what he had to say :
    That's very fine and succinct writing. It makes me want to read her books even more. What she's suggesting is actually a return to the separation of church and state suggested by Locke in those Letters on Toleration I recently read. Locke was a devout Christian, but he understood the necessity for secular government if you wanted to safeguard individual rights. After all, what's the first thing a theocracy does but insist on individual compliance, as opposed to liberty? Neocons in the US have been treading a very slippery slope by letting religious principles dictate policy. That never seems to end well for anybody. But then, Leftism has become a religion of its own, in the sense that its tenets are mostly non-rational, and liberals are just as guilty of leaning on their inscrutable gods as conservatives are of Bible thumping.
    You are wrong about police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    I showed my husband that article. Here's what he had to say :
    Let your husband know that a theocracy never existed in England or anywhere else in the Western World. The churches of Locke's period were national churches controlled by the state. Not the other way around.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Let your husband know that a theocracy never existed in England or anywhere else in the Western World. The churches of Locke's period were national churches controlled by the state. Not the other way around.
    Hmm. I fail to see a vastly distinct difference, but I'm not going to argue that little point, either.
    You are wrong about police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    Hmm. I fail to see a vastly distinct difference, but I'm not going to argue that little point, either.
    If you don't understand the difference and think it's a minor point you obviously don't understand what a theocracy entails.
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    With the arguable exception of the Papal States, a theocracy has never existed anywhere in the Western European world.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    With the arguable exception of the Papal States, a theocracy has never existed anywhere in the Western European world.
    I believe you.

    I don't believe it was stated that it did and I think you're narrowing in on a minor thing, maybe? THe word theocracy was used, yes. I'll grant you that.

    Beyond that, do you agree or disagree with the broader points about conservatism, the left and religion?
    You are wrong about police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    I showed my husband that article. Here's what he had to say :
    The Enlightenment sought a separation of all association that tied men together, religion, family, guilds, the entire social order, from the state. It's led to the problem we see today in universities and creeping into the workplace.
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