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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    While true.....it is the ones that keep showing up at the border. Not only caravans from Honduras either.
    Given the rather large historical 'illegal' population in America, many having both children and grandchildren born in America and the virtual impossibility of removing most of them, the logical solution is amnesty for those who have been gainfully employed taxpayers for at least ten years without any criminal record and an automatic citizenship hearing. For those in America less than 10 years, but more than five years without any criminal convictions who have been steadily employed and paying taxes, a path to citizenship. Under five years - deportation. This should be a one time offer and anyone who doesn't take it up or have records of unemployment beyond just a few months between jobs or a criminal record can and should be deported. Perhaps then, if both parties can reach a reasonable and equitable solution to the latent immigration problem, then voters should expect a bipartisan solution to the border issue - whether it be a wall, a fence or a high tech solution. If there is no spirit of compromise by either party, they should lose their protected status and people should be encouraged to find better representation.

    As to those currently banging at America's door on the southern border, if a 'National Emergency' can be declared at the discretion of the President, then as a national emergency, aggressive attempts to enter the country can be deemed a military matter and armed forces can be deployed and authorised to capture and remove unlawful entrants with transportation available to send them back to wherever they came from. There should soon be more military personnel available for the task.

    At the same time, legislation regarding those who employ unlawful migrants needs to be created that is necessarily harsh, making the risk of getting caught employing the undocumented (i.e. those who have no permission to work or live in America) not worth the financial reward.
    "The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Given the rather large historical 'illegal' population in America, many having both children and grandchildren born in America and the virtual impossibility of removing most of them, the logical solution is amnesty for those who have been gainfully employed taxpayers for at least ten years without any criminal record and an automatic citizenship hearing. For those in America less than 10 years, but more than five years without any criminal convictions who have been steadily employed and paying taxes, a path to citizenship. Under five years - deportation. This should be a one time offer and anyone who doesn't take it up or have records of unemployment beyond just a few months between jobs or a criminal record can and should be deported. Perhaps then, if both parties can reach a reasonable and equitable solution to the latent immigration problem, then voters should expect a bipartisan solution to the border issue - whether it be a wall, a fence or a high tech solution. If there is no spirit of compromise by either party, they should lose their protected status and people should be encouraged to find better representation.

    As to those currently banging at America's door on the southern border, if a 'National Emergency' can be declared at the discretion of the President, then as a national emergency, aggressive attempts to enter the country can be deemed a military matter and armed forces can be deployed and authorised to capture and remove unlawful entrants with transportation available to send them back to wherever they came from. There should soon be more military personnel available for the task.

    At the same time, legislation regarding those who employ unlawful migrants needs to be created that is necessarily harsh, making the risk of getting caught employing the undocumented (i.e. those who have no permission to work or live in America) not worth the financial reward.
    Indeed, Logical solutions have come for decades and yet none are implemented. But, while those logical solutions have merit...and where they'd require years of legislation and even legal challenges....let's severely reduce the flood of migrants illegally crossing the border FIRST. Because a wall is a logical solution, it does prevent crossings for relatively little money.
    People who enter the US without our permission are illegal aliens and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the US legally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    I doubt that he will declare an emergency on the border. However, if he does, it will be in two weeks.

    There will be no wall on the southern border. There will be a very limited and mostly ineffective amount of new fencing constructed. The border is going to remain porous.


    Republicans from the more liberal coastal states will vote against Trump. Romney represents a fairly conservative state. I don't know what he'll do. I do know that he does want to be reelected.
    You're becoming a Cassandra.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    You're becoming a Cassandra.
    Is Cassandra a realist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    More than half of those 'aliens' have been in America for 20 years or more and have been paying taxes.
    It does not matter. Boot them.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Is Cassandra a realist?
    No, and neither are you. You always say the Republicans will cave on this or that and they haven't.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our freedom and our society and our morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    No, and neither are you. You always say the Republicans will cave on this or that and they haven't.
    I said that Trump is not likely to declare an emergency on the border. He isn't.

    I said that there will be no wall, only a token amount of steel fence will be constructed. A small enough amount to be considered ineffective.


    Liberal Republicans from the coastal states will not support Trump on his wall project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    You always say the Republicans will cave on this or that and they haven't.
    They haven't yet. There's still time. They generally do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Given the rather large historical 'illegal' population in America, many having both children and grandchildren born in America and the virtual impossibility of removing most of them, the logical solution is amnesty for those who have been gainfully employed taxpayers for at least ten years without any criminal record and an automatic citizenship hearing. For those in America less than 10 years, but more than five years without any criminal convictions who have been steadily employed and paying taxes, a path to citizenship. Under five years - deportation. This should be a one time offer and anyone who doesn't take it up or have records of unemployment beyond just a few months between jobs or a criminal record can and should be deported. Perhaps then, if both parties can reach a reasonable and equitable solution to the latent immigration problem, then voters should expect a bipartisan solution to the border issue - whether it be a wall, a fence or a high tech solution. If there is no spirit of compromise by either party, they should lose their protected status and people should be encouraged to find better representation.

    As to those currently banging at America's door on the southern border, if a 'National Emergency' can be declared at the discretion of the President, then as a national emergency, aggressive attempts to enter the country can be deemed a military matter and armed forces can be deployed and authorised to capture and remove unlawful entrants with transportation available to send them back to wherever they came from. There should soon be more military personnel available for the task.

    At the same time, legislation regarding those who employ unlawful migrants needs to be created that is necessarily harsh, making the risk of getting caught employing the undocumented (i.e. those who have no permission to work or live in America) not worth the financial reward.
    Trump offered Amnesty for the Dreamers. It was the Democrats, specifically the black caucus that refused. Due to not wanting to get rid of Chain migration and the Diversity visa lottery.


    There are many illegals that are stealing identities of Americans. One of those crimes that the Lame Stream Media limits coverage on. Which says nothing about all those not paying taxes. Not reporting crimes they are witnesses too.


    Declaring martial law for the military doesn't just affect illegals coming in. Moreover at best the Military can detain but it would still fall on the DOJ to take it into court.


    The only transportation the US should be doing is taking all back to the border and dropping them off at the ports of entry and telling them c-ya. Its a long walk back, ask Mexico for assistance.
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