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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    So, if apprehensions decrease that means less people are illegally entering the country?

    The border patrol is claiming that they are being overwhelmed. Are they lying?
    The only reports we have of the border patrol being overwhelmed are from conservative media and the President, but that's not being demonstrated by any measurable fact. Every relevant fact points to crossings being down. Even if true, that could be just as much due to the CBP being understaffed rather than any increase in crossings. We don't know because there's nothing measurable to point to either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Do people notice how some will try to defend their view by claiming I am ignoring facts even though facts were the basis of my position? While others post some idiotic trolling comment...
    You have not cited a single fact. I have cited official government numbers and you said those were wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I did not guess at it, I quoted Trump's DHS figures. Around 100k were apprehended at the border just between October and November 2018.

    I'm providing official Trump administration statistics and you guys are the ones offering unverifieds.
    How does the number of apprehensions determine how many entered illegally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    Like you just did now? Statements with no support?

    Funny how that works.

    At least GA referred to data that was posted in another thread today. I'm sure you've seen it.
    this is not that thread. There is no reference to that thread in this thread. And no, I did not read that thread. So, refresh us with those numbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    How does the number of apprehensions determine how many entered illegally?
    It can't be determined at 100% accuracy. What we know is that apprehensions are down (and have been consistently trending down for 18 years) and enforcement is up, not to mention the known illegal population has not increased substantively in around 10 years, so a logical conclusion to be drawn is that crossings are down. If crossings are up, why aren't apprehensions up? Why isn't the known population up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    You have not cited a single fact. I have cited official government numbers and you said those were wrong.
    Now you’ve gone sideways. I have not denied any fact, nor have I misrepresented any fact.

    I am stating a fact when I say the number of illegal entries is a guess based on the number of apprehensions. If you deny that, you are denying a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    It only fails when you explain how you deal with those issues and how a wall helps.ka-BOOM!
    The issues you raised are separate issues, a wall fence barrier doesn't necessarily help or hinder. All a wall fence barrier does is stop or slow illegal entrance.
    It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    You have not cited a single fact. I have cited official government numbers and you said those were wrong.
    You've tossed out numbers, but no citation to back them up. So, no, you haven't cited a damned thing.
    here, try this for a citation
    As of 2017, FAIR estimates the number of illegal aliens in the US to be approximately 12.5 million. This number is slightly higher than FAIR’s previous estimate of 12 million in 2011.
    https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal...ants-are-in-us

    that is a proper cite (citation)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    It can't be determined at 100% accuracy. What we know is that apprehensions are down (and have been consistently trending down for 18 years) and enforcement is up, not to mention the known illegal population has not increased substantively in around 10 years, so a logical conclusion to be drawn is that crossings are down. If crossings are up, why aren't apprehensions up? Why isn't the known population up?
    that contradicts current information. The reason illegal activity was down was due in part to Obama's hand in the mix.
    President Obama's Record of Dismantling Immigration Enforcement
    https://www.fairus.org/issue/publica...on-enforcement
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    The issues you raised are separate issues, a wall fence barrier doesn't necessarily help or hinder. All a wall fence barrier does is stop or slow illegal entrance.
    I like to think beyond stupid, funny like that I guess.

    Like managing the legal process of illegals. If that's what's broken...

    Yeah, I'm spinning wheels. Just build a wall, it solves everything.
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