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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    What?
    have you heard about the flying carp population? It is an epidemic across the US. They eat everything.
    http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar...-invasive-carp

    They are to be found everywhere, now
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    have you heard about the flying carp population? It is an epidemic across the US. They eat everything.
    http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar...-invasive-carp

    They are to be found everywhere, now
    Who's purposely introducing these invasive species, that was my "what?".

    I don't know about out there but where I'm at the DOW is pretty militant about keeping any species of plant, muscle, fish, bird, whatever out of areas they don't belong.
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    In my state if they catch you putting say pike in a lake where they will overpopulate they will pistol whip you and hang you from a joshua tree in the desert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    They are well within their Rights to do so. but they aren't alone in thinning the herd. Thousands of sport fishermen fish those rivers every year, bears consume whatever they can catch, and many salmon sicken and die. Salmon also only return to breed once in their lifespan. They breed and then die.

    When it comes to the tribals overfishing for salmon, I don't want to hear about their rights. They net rivers and streams from bank to bank. Even for them this practice is forbidden. No one stops them. Bears are not a threat to salmon in Washington and Oregon. Disease isn't a consistent threat either. The fact that they breed once then die is a better reason to protect them.


    Their main natural predator is overpopulated. We have created that overpopulation. We need to correct it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    Who's purposely introducing these invasive species, that was my "what?".

    I don't know about out there but where I'm at the DOW is pretty militant about keeping any species of plant, muscle, fish, bird, whatever out of areas they don't belong.
    Try as we might, we are failing at that.
    Boas in Florida....
    Zebra mussels in the Great Lakes
    Formosa termites in the south
    Nutria in Louisiana
    Canadian thistle in the Midwest (this is a major problem for farmers in the Midwest)
    Alligators in the New York sewers
    Lots of invasive and transplanted species in the US
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    Well those scientist keep introducing foreign fish that don't belong there, that eats the babies but they scream at the sea lions. Sometimes what you can't see is the problem. You can see the sea lions, companies that harvest, the dams, the illegal fishing but those foreign fish do more harm than all of this.

    That's not an issue with the salmon population in the pacific NW. You really don't know what you're talking about here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    Try as we might, we are failing at that.
    Boas in Florida....
    Zebra mussels in the Great Lakes
    Formosa termites in the south
    Nutria in Louisiana
    Canadian thistle in the Midwest (this is a major problem for farmers in the Midwest)
    Alligators in the New York sewers
    Lots of invasive and transplanted species in the US
    Right, I'm not arguing that.

    What "scientists" are doing this purposely?
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    Meh. Let nature take its course.
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    One man, brief in space, must spread his opposition
    across a period of many years if he is
    to have a chance of succeeding"

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    have you heard about the flying carp population? It is an epidemic across the US. They eat everything.
    http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar...-invasive-carp

    They are to be found everywhere, now
    Right those scientist that think they are so smart introduced this to ponds said they would filter the water. Floods came they escaped and now they are killing off ones who belong here. They do more harm than good and then blame other animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    When it comes to the tribals overfishing for salmon, I don't want to hear about their rights. They net rivers and streams from bank to bank. Even for them this practice is forbidden. No one stops them. Bears are not a threat to salmon in Washington and Oregon. Disease isn't a consistent threat either. The fact that they breed once then die is a better reason to protect them.


    Their main natural predator is overpopulated. We have created that overpopulation. We need to correct it.
    I'm all in for protecting species. Here in Indiana we've over-protected deer to the point where they get sick and die, and not just one or two. One year they estimated there were thousands that died in the northern part of the state. They are born deformed from lack of enough to eat while being carried.
    Man should not muck around in the natural process.
    The local natives do not take that much out of the flow. There are many contributing factors.
    just a note: There are many business that depend upon the fishing industry. And for some of the native American Indians, this is their sole source of income. I can't think of one that depends on sea lions for a dollar. I don't mean that in a mean way, but it is true.
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