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    Psychologists Issue Controversial Report on Masculinity

    Psychologists Issue Controversial Report on Masculinity

    Here is the guidance that the article discusses.

    The push back has to do with, in part, treating extremes of male behavior as normal.

    Earlier this week, the APA released practice guidelines on recommended treatment concerns regarding men and masculinity.


    The guidelines have sparked significant controversy. They accurately identify some of the health and suicide risks for men and the fact that men are less interested in engaging with therapy. However, the guidelines have been criticized by many for relying on a great number of vague, subjective ideological and political/sociological concepts, rather than psychological science. For instance, the paper uncritically references the concept of micro-aggressions, without acknowledging the severe limitations of the concept recently pointed out by Scott Lilienfeld.


    Another area of significant concern in the guidelines was the statement that "Prior to the second-wave feminist movement in the 1960s, all psychology was the psychology of men." This ignores the significant role of many female psychologists such as Anna Freud, Karen Horney, and Virginia Satir. This article reviews the powerful influence of female psychologists through history, many prior to the 1960s. Colleague Marco Del Giudice, with extensive work in gender differences, has pointed out that this statement also ignores past research on gender differences such as this extensive book from 1905, written by a female psychologist, the director of psychology research at Mount Holyoke University.


    In response to the reaction to the guidelines, the APA issued a clarification of a sort, indicating that their real concern was only around some "extreme stereotypical behaviors" held by a few men. Unfortunately, though, neither the guidelines nor the correction offer much assistance on picking out these few unhealthy men from healthy men who are more traditionally masculine. They suggest that their concern is "When a man believes that he must be successful no matter who is harmed." The authors offer no assistance in distinguishing this particular concern from other, more clearly psychological issues, such as Antisocial Personality Disorder, which is more prevalent in males and would overlap substantially. For clinical guidelines to fail to address such an important issue of differential diagnosis is quite concerning to many in the field.


    An in-depth review of the limitations of the guidelines was written by Chris Ferguson, a psychologist at Stetson University. Ferguson notes especially the way in which these guidelines state that social forces play an overwhelming role in gender differences, without taking into account substantial evidence regarding the role of biological influences.


    In my view, these guidelines, if implemented widely in training, would make men less comfortable in therapy, not more. The APA is offering continuing education units for reading these guidelines, and they are likely to play a significant role in the training of future psychologists. Psychology is increasingly a profession and industry with more women, and guidelines such as these would be one important way for female clinicians to better understand how to treat patients with different gender experiences. These particular guidelines set a poor precedent, suggesting that psychologists can be quite casual with facts and ignore discrepant research when ideological values are deemed more important. That's not how I was trained in psychology, or as a man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Psychologists Issue Controversial Report on Masculinity

    Here is the guidance that the article discusses.

    The push back has to do with, in part, treating extremes of male behavior as normal.

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    some of these "enlightened" head shrinks wont be happy until men act like women. We've already have a few that act like women, think like women, but it ain't enough.
    There is a difference between Men and Women and the way they think. It's in the wiring. The progressives don't like individuality, WE must all be grey and gender neutral. But women aren't about to act like men, so men must be changed.
    what a load of hooey................and we wonder why things are so screwed up.
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    If they don't stop trying to turn men into women I will hit them with my purse!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    If they don't stop trying to turn men into women I will hit them with my purse!!
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    Maybe I missed it but I didn't see anything addressing culture or race. Gender is not the only factor. In addition, our DNA play a big part of who we are and how we handle situations.

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    In response to the reaction to the guidelines, the APA issued a clarification of a sort, indicating that their real concern was only around some "extreme stereotypical behaviors" held by a few men. Unfortunately, though, neither the guidelines nor the correction offer much assistance on picking out these few unhealthy men from healthy men who are more traditionally masculine. They suggest that their concern is "When a man believes that he must be successful no matter who is harmed." The authors offer no assistance in distinguishing this particular concern from other, more clearly psychological issues, such as Antisocial Personality Disorder, which is more prevalent in males and would overlap substantially. For clinical guidelines to fail to address such an important issue of differential diagnosis is quite concerning to many in the field. …..snip~


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    In response to the reaction to the guidelines, the APA issued a clarification of a sort, indicating that their real concern was only around some "extreme stereotypical behaviors" held by a few men. Unfortunately, though, neither the guidelines nor the correction offer much assistance on picking out these few unhealthy men from healthy men who are more traditionally masculine. They suggest that their concern is "When a man believes that he must be successful no matter who is harmed." The authors offer no assistance in distinguishing this particular concern from other, more clearly psychological issues, such as Antisocial Personality Disorder, which is more prevalent in males and would overlap substantially. For clinical guidelines to fail to address such an important issue of differential diagnosis is quite concerning to many in the field. …..snip~


    "When a man believes that he must be successful no matter who is harmed."
    Let's replace man with woman. Then use Hillary Clinton as an example.............................see where this could go?
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    I've told my boys (and hopefully taught by example) that a real man makes life better for everyone around him. Whether the sacrifices are large, as in supporting a family, or small, as in a kind word to a stranger, a real man makes the very Fiber Of Being a better place for his existence. When such a man enters a room, everyone rejoices at his mere presence. I myself don't always live up that advice - who can? But it is unquestionably the right star by which to navigate your journey. JP's advice is the best in this regard: willingly shoulder your responsibility and make the world a better place. That advice subsumes the boundaries of gender, not to mention all other boundaries, social or personal, and it requires no convoluted psychological studies to justify its efficacy in mediating toxic behaviors, be they masculine or feminine.
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    Real men aren't concerned with their supposed masculinity.
    How crazy alt righties got pwnd by a conervative web site:
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    "When a man believes that he must be successful no matter who is harmed."
    Let's replace man with woman. Then use Hillary Clinton as an example.............................see where this could go?

    There is only one place it can go with her.



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