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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    First there are two types of conservatism . Fiscal and social. Truth be told those could be broken down even further. For example I am fiscally conservative at the federal level because I believe in the Constitutional limitations of federal government . I am a little less fiscally conservative at the state level as someone would have to take back over some of the functions the feds have usurped from the states. That would require some money and spending. For example I believe well monitored social programs can be effective at the state level. Yet, I am not a fiscal liberal even at the state level.

    Social conservatism to me is about controlling the behaviors of other people, often unnecessarily. For example prohibition or being anti-gay. It's practioners often come off as heartless. . But these days the social liberals are just as controlling. "No free speech in this zone" hate has become a crime and discrimination against males and whites is openly practiced .

    The terms mean so many different things to different people as to have become more useful as intended insults than as political descriptions. So I look at a candidate's or person's controllism level. When I do that I find that almost all of Washington is controlling and that "conservative" and "liberal" regimes tend to talk different but "accomplish" the same stuff.

    Another way to look at it is "What portion of the BOR's and other freedoms does this candidate support? " Some "cons" are a little weak on things like due process, and can't tell "defense" from "offense" some "libs" are very weak on 2nd Amendment issues and both tend to simply reject state's rights as a matter of course.
    Rand Paul is among the few who fully support the BOR's and Constitution as written.
    Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    This is a huge part of the problem. Libs like you, and Cap'n Oblivious, literally have no clue what American conservatism is. The first sentence of the above post demonstrates this in spades.
    Really? So, instead of saying they don't have a clue, why don't you show the board where the clue is? I mean, unless you are around to just squawk and clutch your pearls because someone posted an opinion that you don't like...
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Lol.
    That really showed him...
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    First there are two types of conservatism . Fiscal and social. Truth be told those could be broken down even further. For example I am fiscally conservative at the federal level because I believe in the Constitutional limitations of federal government . I am a little less fiscally conservative at the state level as someone would have to take back over some of the functions the feds have usurped from the states. That would require some money and spending. For example I believe well monitored social programs can be effective at the state level. Yet, I am not a fiscal liberal even at the state level.

    Social conservatism to me is about controlling the behaviors of other people, often unnecessarily. For example prohibition or being anti-gay. It's practioners often come off as heartless. . But these days the social liberals are just as controlling. "No free speech in this zone" hate has become a crime and discrimination against males and whites is openly practiced .

    The terms mean so many different things to different people as to have become more useful as intended insults than as political descriptions. So I look at a candidate's or person's controllism level. When I do that I find that almost all of Washington is controlling and that "conservative" and "liberal" regimes tend to talk different but "accomplish" the same stuff.

    Another way to look at it is "What portion of the BOR's and other freedoms does this candidate support? " Some "cons" are a little weak on things like due process, and can't tell "defense" from "offense" some "libs" are very weak on 2nd Amendment issues and both tend to simply reject state's rights as a matter of course.
    Rand Paul is among the few who fully support the BOR's and Constitution as written.
    I identify as a classical liberal.
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    I don't know what a conservative is. I'm a minimalist so I know what a liberal is but a conservative is just a name.

    I want the federal government out of the way. That's conservative. I want my state government to have college as a public responsibility as they do high school. Is that conservative? There is no answer to this question.
    Last edited by Captdon; 01-14-2019 at 09:14 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The video is a good reflection on the many faces of conservationism.
    This is the opeing of the video:



    I liked it because it didn't define conservatism in terms of politics but culture.

    And because that and the list stand in direct contrast with liberalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    Really? So, instead of saying they don't have a clue, why don't you show the board where the clue is? I mean, unless you are around to just squawk and clutch your pearls because someone posted an opinion that you don't like...
    I don't feed the trolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I don't feed the trolls.
    Um, ok, that's nice. Now, what about expounding on your response to Dr. Who?
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    First there are two types of conservatism . Fiscal and social.
    No.

    If someone wants the "government" to engage in social engineering scams, but is too cheap to pay for it, he's a Rodent.

    Conservatives do not support or reject a government program based on it's COST.

    "Fiscal" conservatives are just socialists with a tiny shred of a conscience, but, as history has shown, it's not a very good conscience.

    A "fiscal" conservative does not want the government subsidizing the murder of babies, but only because of the money.

    A real conservative does not want babies to be murdered at all, no matter how much it would cost the taxpayers to protect them.

    Punishing and deterring murder is a prime goal of any sane society.

    Truth be told those could be broken down even further. For example I am fiscally conservative at the federal level because I believe in the Constitutional limitations of federal government . I am a little less fiscally conservative at the state level as someone would have to take back over some of the functions the feds have usurped from the states. That would require some money and spending. For example I believe well monitored social programs can be effective at the state level. Yet, I am not a fiscal liberal even at the state level.
    So you're not a conservative at all.

    "Social" functions are, for the most part, the obligation of SOCIETY, as individuals, not of the government.

    Got a bunch of addicts in the city? Keep them away from children and taxpaying citizens. The social obligation of the government is ended. The fiscal obligation is satisfied. The addicts? Their body, their choice. Establishing a police state to protect people from their own stupidity is never the act of a conservative.

    Volunteering to help the addicts is something a conservative can do with clear conscience.

    Forcing others, via taxation, to help those fools is in no way a conservative action.

    Social conservatism to me is about controlling the behaviors of other people, often unnecessarily. For example prohibition or being anti-gay. It's practioners often come off as heartless. . But these days the social liberals are just as controlling. "No free speech in this zone" hate has become a crime and discrimination against males and whites is openly practiced .
    What's wrong with keeping mentally diseased men who want to pretend they are women out of the girl's locker rooms and rest-rooms?

    Since being anti-mental illness is pro-children and creates a healthier society, what is wrong with being against the entire $#@! agenda?

    I am rational. Which means the weaker among use cry that I am heartless because I refuse to comply with their emotions.

    It's for the children, you know.

    Rand Paul is among the few who fully support the BOR's and Constitution as written.
    A little bit, he does.

    He was also willing to do the Amnesty thing along with the other Rodents and RINOs.
    Freedom Requires Obstinance.

    We the People DID NOT vote in a majority Rodent Congress, they stole it via election fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    Really? So, instead of saying they don't have a clue, why don't you show the board where the clue is? I mean, unless you are around to just squawk and clutch your pearls because someone posted an opinion that you don't like...

    This is the clue:

    http://constitutionus.com/

    Rodents HATE what that document says and ignore it and abuse judges to shred it.

    Conservatives seek for the government to obey it, and, if there are parts they dislike, seek to Amend the document as is legally required.
    Freedom Requires Obstinance.

    We the People DID NOT vote in a majority Rodent Congress, they stole it via election fraud.

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