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    Conservatism

    What does that mean?

    Define it, describe it.

    I see a lot of people here claiming to be conservatives who I have strong doubts really are and I see the opposite, those who claim to not be and highly likely are.

    The first person who posts a youtube video, wiki or dictionary link will have anal helldaemons visit them relentlessly in their dreams.

    Not kidding.

    Second person gets worse.

    Discuss
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    When you say "I see a lot of people here claiming to be conservatives who I have strong doubts really are and I see the opposite, those who claim to not be and highly likely are" you imply you already have a definition in mind and it's not an honest request.

    Therefore...

    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    What does that mean?

    Define it, describe it.

    I see a lot of people here claiming to be conservatives who I have strong doubts really are and I see the opposite, those who claim to not be and highly likely are.

    The first person who posts a youtube video, wiki or dictionary link will have anal helldaemons visit them relentlessly in their dreams.

    Not kidding.

    Second person gets worse.

    Discuss
    It's a complex question. Simplistically, people who are conservative are careful. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Unfortunately, the concept is divided in many ways. There are the social conservatives AKA the religious crowd, and those who are tribalist. Then there are the fiscal conservatives, which includes the constitutionalist crowd and then there are those who simply self-identify with the political party that claims to represent conservative values but tends to have an agenda that openly represents big business interests and derivative concepts like 'manifest destiny'. Unfortunately, unabashed selfishness and greed is now deemed a conservative 'value'. I don't happen to think it is a mark of conservatism, but something else entirely.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    When you say "I see a lot of people here claiming to be conservatives who I have strong doubts really are and I see the opposite, those who claim to not be and highly likely are" you imply you already have a definition in mind and it's not an honest request.

    Therefore...

    Sleep with one eye open.

    It's not a loaded question.
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    Conservatism is that broad body of poltical thought opposed to slavery.

    Conservatives are thus the natural opponents of Rodents and their totalitiarian goals.

    Defeating the Rodents and preserving the blessings of LIBERTY for ourselves and OUR posterity, that's what conservatism is all about.



    A "Rodent" is any person, or, rather, sub-human, that subscribes to the brain-dead theology of socialism or it's natural and inevitable derivatives of fascism, communism, moronism, Hillaryism, Obama-ism, Bernie-Bot-itis and the latest permutation of that horrid religion, Occassional-Cortexism.
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    Freedom Requires Obstinance.

    We the People DID NOT vote in a majority Rodent Congress, they stole it via election fraud.

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    Conservatism is divided into many categories just like Liberalism, based on individual ideals
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    The video is a good reflection on the many faces of conservationism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    What does that mean?

    Define it, describe it.

    I see a lot of people here claiming to be conservatives who I have strong doubts really are and I see the opposite, those who claim to not be and highly likely are.

    The first person who posts a youtube video, wiki or dictionary link will have anal helldaemons visit them relentlessly in their dreams.

    Not kidding.

    Second person gets worse.

    Discuss
    First there are two types of conservatism . Fiscal and social. Truth be told those could be broken down even further. For example I am fiscally conservative at the federal level because I believe in the Constitutional limitations of federal government . I am a little less fiscally conservative at the state level as someone would have to take back over some of the functions the feds have usurped from the states. That would require some money and spending. For example I believe well monitored social programs can be effective at the state level. Yet, I am not a fiscal liberal even at the state level.

    Social conservatism to me is about controlling the behaviors of other people, often unnecessarily. For example prohibition or being anti-gay. It's practioners often come off as heartless. . But these days the social liberals are just as controlling. "No free speech in this zone" hate has become a crime and discrimination against males and whites is openly practiced .

    The terms mean so many different things to different people as to have become more useful as intended insults than as political descriptions. So I look at a candidate's or person's controllism level. When I do that I find that almost all of Washington is controlling and that "conservative" and "liberal" regimes tend to talk different but "accomplish" the same stuff.

    Another way to look at it is "What portion of the BOR's and other freedoms does this candidate support? " Some "cons" are a little weak on things like due process, and can't tell "defense" from "offense" some "libs" are very weak on 2nd Amendment issues and both tend to simply reject state's rights as a matter of course.
    Rand Paul is among the few who fully support the BOR's and Constitution as written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    It's a complex question. Simplistically, people who are conservative are careful. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Unfortunately, the concept is divided in many ways. There are the social conservatives AKA the religious crowd, and those who are tribalist. Then there are the fiscal conservatives, which includes the constitutionalist crowd and then there are those who simply self-identify with the political party that claims to represent conservative values but tends to have an agenda that openly represents big business interests and derivative concepts like 'manifest destiny'. Unfortunately, unabashed selfishness and greed is now deemed a conservative 'value'. I don't happen to think it is a mark of conservatism, but something else entirely.
    This is a huge part of the problem. Libs like you, and Cap'n Oblivious, literally have no clue what American conservatism is. The first sentence of the above post demonstrates this in spades.
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