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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Yea, do that.
    Use some Robotic drilling machines. Leftists haven't found a way to include them into Civil Rights yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Use some Robotic drilling machines. Leftists haven't found a way to include them into Civil Rights yet.
    we know so little about the mechanisms of volcanoes. It is a "fledgling" science.
    One thing is for certain, this planet is a constantly changing paradigm BECAUSE of volcanic activity. Should we fool around with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    we know so little about the mechanisms of volcanoes. It is a "fledgling" science.
    One thing is for certain, this planet is a constantly changing paradigm BECAUSE of volcanic activity. Should we fool around with it?
    According to experts, Right now they say we don't have the tech to release pressure. Although someone in the US Military said we could plant some bombs into Yellowstone and trigger 3 eruptions. Drill down and plant bombs. Its finding the Natural Pressure release and drilling there. Not into the Volcano itself.







    Carlino, a vulcanologist with Italy's National Institute of Geophysics and Vulcanology (INGV), shows me fiberoptic cables flowing down to instruments inside the borehole that measure temperature, seismic activity, and stress. He also points out where tubes emerge from the hole, letting carbon dioxide escape to relieve pressure, and the large, black valve that could be used to close off the borehole in case of emergency.

    For some, the site is not so harmless. This is the pilot borehole of the Campi Flegrei Deep Drilling Project (CFDDP), an ambitious initiative to drill more than three kilometres (10,000ft) into a supervolcano beneath the Gulf of Naples. Campi Flegrei dwarfs Mount Vesuvius, the region’s more famous volcano. It has the power to kill hundreds of thousands of people and even change the planet’s climate.


    The long-simmering controversy is about something bigger than one project: it's a debate about how deep science should go when the quest for knowledge is fraught with both risk and reward.


    Campi Flegrei (in English, the "Phlegraean Fields") is a massive caldera, or collapsed volcano, encompassing much of the Gulf of Naples and surrounding coastal area. Calderas are a more insidious type of volcano than "stratovolcanoes" like Vesuvius because they don't have one, obvious vent or a central peak; instead, a huge magma chamber deep underground feeds features such as cinder cones, craters, and fumaroles across a large area. To make matters worse, when calderas really blow, these are among the most explosive and destructive volcanic eruptions.


    During the 1982-84 episode, scientists witnessed uplift such as had not been seen at Campi Flegrei in modern times. An eruption seemed very much at hand. When nothing happened and the ground subsided, it underscored how poor geologists' understanding of Campi Flegrei was. Thirty years later, the volcano’s plumbing is still something of a mystery. For example, scientists don't fully understand what exactly is lifting up the ground during uplift: fluids heated by magma (less dangerous) or the magma itself (much more). That's because right now, geologists' knowledge is based on data collected at the surface, which offers an incomplete picture. The behaviour of rock under high pressure and temperature can only be observed in artificial lab conditions.


    Thomas Weisberg, a spokesperson for the International Continental Scientific Drilling Program (ICDP), puts it more bluntly. "We need to drill," he says. "We need to go to the area where these processes are taking place, and that's in the subsurface."



    Four years later, the Soviets entered this intraterrestrial space race with the Kola Superdeep Borehole. It took them nearly two decades, but they ultimately managed to drill 12,262 metres (40,230ft) into the crust – a record that still stands. Drilling had to be halted in 1992 when scientists encountered much higher-than-expected temperatures of approximately 180C (356F).



    Today, our best hope for advancing Earth's final frontier is Chikyu, a state-of-the-art Japanese drilling ship. The vessel drilled more than two kilometres (1.2 miles) into the ocean floor in 2012, setting a record for the deepest undersea borehole drilled for scientific purposes. (The deepest drilled for non-scientific purposes? The one beneath the ill-fated Deepwater Horizon oil rig.) A team of scientists is hoping to use the ship to finally reach the mantle in the early 2020s, but the logistical difficulties and projected cost – more than $1 billion – are daunting.



    "Scientists," he says, "should say what the degree of our knowledge is, but mostly, we should communicate to the people what is the degree of our ignorance – which is quite high, when it comes to natural systems.".....snip~


    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2016...a-supervolcano
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    According to experts, Right now they say we don't have the tech to release pressure. Although someone in the US Military said we could plant some bombs into Yellowstone and trigger 3 eruptions. Drill down and plant bombs. Its finding the Natural Pressure release and drilling there. Not into the Volcano itself.







    Carlino, a vulcanologist with Italy's National Institute of Geophysics and Vulcanology (INGV), shows me fiberoptic cables flowing down to instruments inside the borehole that measure temperature, seismic activity, and stress. He also points out where tubes emerge from the hole, letting carbon dioxide escape to relieve pressure, and the large, black valve that could be used to close off the borehole in case of emergency.

    For some, the site is not so harmless. This is the pilot borehole of the Campi Flegrei Deep Drilling Project (CFDDP), an ambitious initiative to drill more than three kilometres (10,000ft) into a supervolcano beneath the Gulf of Naples. Campi Flegrei dwarfs Mount Vesuvius, the region’s more famous volcano. It has the power to kill hundreds of thousands of people and even change the planet’s climate.


    The long-simmering controversy is about something bigger than one project: it's a debate about how deep science should go when the quest for knowledge is fraught with both risk and reward.


    Campi Flegrei (in English, the "Phlegraean Fields") is a massive caldera, or collapsed volcano, encompassing much of the Gulf of Naples and surrounding coastal area. Calderas are a more insidious type of volcano than "stratovolcanoes" like Vesuvius because they don't have one, obvious vent or a central peak; instead, a huge magma chamber deep underground feeds features such as cinder cones, craters, and fumaroles across a large area. To make matters worse, when calderas really blow, these are among the most explosive and destructive volcanic eruptions.


    During the 1982-84 episode, scientists witnessed uplift such as had not been seen at Campi Flegrei in modern times. An eruption seemed very much at hand. When nothing happened and the ground subsided, it underscored how poor geologists' understanding of Campi Flegrei was. Thirty years later, the volcano’s plumbing is still something of a mystery. For example, scientists don't fully understand what exactly is lifting up the ground during uplift: fluids heated by magma (less dangerous) or the magma itself (much more). That's because right now, geologists' knowledge is based on data collected at the surface, which offers an incomplete picture. The behaviour of rock under high pressure and temperature can only be observed in artificial lab conditions.


    Thomas Weisberg, a spokesperson for the International Continental Scientific Drilling Program (ICDP), puts it more bluntly. "We need to drill," he says. "We need to go to the area where these processes are taking place, and that's in the subsurface."



    Four years later, the Soviets entered this intraterrestrial space race with the Kola Superdeep Borehole. It took them nearly two decades, but they ultimately managed to drill 12,262 metres (40,230ft) into the crust – a record that still stands. Drilling had to be halted in 1992 when scientists encountered much higher-than-expected temperatures of approximately 180C (356F).



    Today, our best hope for advancing Earth's final frontier is Chikyu, a state-of-the-art Japanese drilling ship. The vessel drilled more than two kilometres (1.2 miles) into the ocean floor in 2012, setting a record for the deepest undersea borehole drilled for scientific purposes. (The deepest drilled for non-scientific purposes? The one beneath the ill-fated Deepwater Horizon oil rig.) A team of scientists is hoping to use the ship to finally reach the mantle in the early 2020s, but the logistical difficulties and projected cost – more than $1 billion – are daunting.



    "Scientists," he says, "should say what the degree of our knowledge is, but mostly, we should communicate to the people what is the degree of our ignorance – which is quite high, when it comes to natural systems.".....snip~


    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2016...a-supervolcano
    again, and they agree, we have no idea of the consequences...............they also agree the study of volcanoes is a fledgling science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    again, and they agree, we have no idea of the consequences...............they also agree the study of volcanoes is a fledgling science.
    While true.....in the end if either Super Volcano is going to blow. They will have to try. As either one will be a planet changing event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    While true.....in the end if either Super Volcano is going to blow. They will have to try. As either one will be a planet changing event.
    In geological time, in the short term is hundreds of thousands of years....
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    IIRC, the Yellowstone Supercaldera is overdue to blow again, according to vulcanologists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    IIRC, the Yellowstone Supercaldera is overdue to blow again, according to vulcanologists.
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Yes.
    I also recall that it will deposit 6 feet of ash as far east as Chicago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    While true.....in the end if either Super Volcano is going to blow. They will have to try. As either one will be a planet changing event.
    That's the problem. It is hard to gauge just when it'll blow. Hell, it could pop its cork tomorrow and we would have no advance warning....well one that wouldn't amount to much of a warning. It is the very nature. I feel comfortable looking at Mt St Helen. We knew it would, but could not tell when..... Krakatoa would be another............
    I remember the movie Volcano whadaloadocrap...........trying to stop a magma flow with concrete barriers and fire trucks. it that had been for real, all of it would have been consumed by the flow............
    But given enough time, it should become predictable and we could move out of the way. But I doubt that we could actually stop a super volcano from popping its cork.
    The fricking caldera is 30 miles plus large. The cone of Krakatoa is only 1/2 mile big.
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